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2004/7/26-27 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:32491 Activity:insanely high 50%like:33071
7/26    motd poll: If you had to vote today, who would you vote for?
        George/Dick: ...
        John/John: ........
        \_ How many of the Kerry voters are voting *for* Kerry and _not_
           merely *against* Bush?
           \_ are you confused "what the meaning of 'is' is"?
              \_ no, but I did not have sex with that woman (enough times to
                 get bored of her)!  when did you stop not inhaling?
        \_ The neighborhood's going down the tubes.  -John
        \_ Dems - no voting if you are dead, a felon, an illegal or a pet,
           and no voting twice.
           \_ What if your name sounds like a dead person's?
              \_ Then you're allowed to vote twice in Penn. and three times
                 in Chicago.
           \_ Felons: If you've served your time and are no longer on parole
              you can be reinstated to the voter rolls.
              \_ Not in all states.
        Ralph! ..
        \_ Yes!  I am not alone!  Since most of you are in CA which is going
           to Kerry anyway, you should do the right thing and vote Nader.
           Your CA vote doesn't mean anything anyway, so you should give it
           value, purpose and meaning.  Send a message!  -Nader'04
           \_ unless of course you actually hate nader *more* than bush, and
              think he would destroy the nation in two years with his moronic
              trade policy...have any of you idiots considered what would
              actually happen if he won?
              \_ Yeah.  I'd vote Green if they had a candidate other than
                 Nader.
              \_ If you really honestly just don't like Nader, I'm ok with
                 that.  Everyone should vote for the candidate that would have
                 the policies you-the-voter would want.  But for the rest of
                 us who would normally vote for Nader but are now voting
                 against Bush, if you're in CA, please reconsider since your
                 CA vote doesn't matter anyway.  Help send a message! Thank
                 you.  -Nader'04
                 \_ So NaderGuy, doesn't it bother you that your "compatriot"
                    is probably in fact ilyas?  Do you know anything about
                    ilyas' politics?
                    \_ Why should it?  And only what I've read here which is
                       the same mix of "I agree" and "Don't agree" that I
                       have with other motd posters.
                       \_ Ha, you really don't get it, do you?
           \_ don't fuck around.
              \_ do you really honestly believe Kerry won't win CA by a huge
                 margin?  and why would you want Kerry anyway?  -Nader'04
                 \_ Nader royally screwed the country last time around and is
                    too damn self-important to admit he might do it a second
                    time.  Even if he might have better policies than Kerry,
                    why should I encourage someone who cares more about his own
                    political advancement than the real-world outcomes on
                    issues he says he cares about?
                    \_ That's DNC propaganda.  How could he or anyone else have
                       possibly known a few votes in one state where the RNC
                       governor's brother was in charge would make the
                       difference?  Nader cares about the people.  Kerry cares
                       about his wife's money.  Bush cares about Cheney's oil.
                       It's an easy vote for a Californian.  -Nader'04
                       \_ The Bush/Gore margin was close enough in several
                          states that a couple percent for Nader probably
                          flipped it.  People were warning about Nader costing
                          Gore the election and the response from the Nader
                          camp was "Maybe, but there's no difference between
                          Bush and Gore anyway, so so what?"  Well there's a
                          big difference and if you can't see it, maybe you
                          should poke you nose out of the Green Party
                          headquarters for a little while.
                          \_ There really isn't but I'm not going to argue
                             with you about it.  I've learned from the motd
                             responses that there really are people who
                             think the Democrats are different in some
                             meaningful way from the Republicans and I'm ok
                             with that.  I respect your decision to be a
                             Democrat.  You can respect mine to be progressive.
                             \_ I respect your right to believe what you want,
                                but I do not respect your stated right to
                                ignore reality. Gore would not have invaded
                                Iraq; Gore would not have brought Enron in on
                                shaping energy policies; and Gore would not
                                have pursued outdated and demonstrably
                                harmful Reagan-era economic policies. Those
                                are huge differences.
                                \_ You don't know what Gore would have done.
                                   Hindsight is magic.  -Nader'04
                \_ are you a troll, or have you not noticed the RNC's
                   local efforts to raise money for the Nader campaign?
                   do you honestly believe 4000 more years of Bush is
                   worth your vanity vote?  I don't get it.
                             \_ I condiser myself progressive, but more than
                                that I am a pragmatist, not an idealist.  The
                                net effect of supporting Nader is to help
                                elect Bush, and to me that is anathema.
                                \_ Not as a CA voter.  -Nader'04
                   \_ It isn't a vanity vote.  Your CA vote doesn't matter
                      anyway.  That's what I was told when I last brought
                      this up.  Since that's true I don't see why progressives
                      in a place like CA would vote for anyone but Nader. -N04
                      \_ Uhm, because he's a self-important nitwit with no
                         political savvy and stooopid ideas about government?
           \_ The only message I want to send Nader was best said by Cheney to
              Leahy.
              \_ http://www.fuckyouralphnader.com
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www.fuckyouralphnader.com
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