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| 2004/7/21 [Science/GlobalWarming, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:32396 Activity:very high |
7/21 Uhm, ok... this is scary. Assuming this story is true but noting
that it isn't yet confirmed: 3 nuclear armed missiles were found
buried in a trench near Baghdad under six meters of concrete. What
are the odds that something like this could self detonate in the coming
years (or do some other really bad thing like leak into nearby wells
or I dunno) if it was left unmaintained and forgotten?
http://www.washtimes.com/upi-breaking/20040721-081009-2541r.htm
\_ Moonie owned newspaper. Moonie owned wire service. Why don't
you start posting links from the Final Call?
you start posting links from The Final Call? -danh
\_ Mexican Air Force documents UFOs
http://tinyurl.com/6orqd
\_ I'm not going to respond to your Moonie trolling anymore. If
you ever come up with something more than "It's a Moonie paper!"
then we can chat. Go away Moonie Troll.
\_ calling you out on relying on Moonie owned news services
is perfectly valid. Moonie Moonie Moonie Moonie! - danh
\_ So Iraq had "WMD" all along? Or were these just nuclear materials,
not fissionables? Has any other news org picked up this story?
\_ I only know what this link says. It's in the "breaking news"
section. It says they're real nuclear tipped missiles. --op
\_ Funny how no other news outlet is carrying this story.
\_ Let's try again: It's in the "breaking news" section.
\_ zero. The story is almost certainly false.
\_ Good motd answer. True, yet doesn't actually answer the
op's question.
\_ Chance of exploding? Almost nill. For a nuke to go off, all
the conventional explosive charges surrounding the uranium or
plutonium must explode at exactly the right time. If the
different charges go off at the wrong time, you just spread
nuclear material over a small area. During the cold war,
when we were keeping nuclear bombers airborn 24/7 (think
Dr. Strangelove) one of our bombers crashed in Spain. No
nukes went off and the only ocnsequence was some radioactive
contamination of the crash site. -!PP
\_ True, but he also asked about nuclear materials
leakage.
\_ He asked about detonation and leakage. To answer the
leakage question: It would depend on the casing of the
bomb (can water corrode or penetrate it?) and on whether
the particulars of its burial allow it to seep into the
groundwater. If it gets into the groundwater if would
be bad, but at that point you don't have a bomb, you
have a pile of rusty radioactive waste.
\_ Asked by Reuters about the report, a spokesman at the Interior
Ministry said: "It's stupid."
http://tinyurl.com/56kje (reuters.co.uk)
So the gist of it is that Iraq's 'National Inquirer' claims to have
found weapons and the Moonie Times picked up the story.
\_ Yep. "Al-Sabah opened last year with backing from the former
U.S.-led administration in Iraq." --aaron
\_ Possibly it's stupid. Possibly it's true. It is unconfirmed
and the odds that some newly hired flunky of the provisional
government knows everything going on in the country instantly
are zero. I was asking about the danger involved in the
situation assuming it was true. I don't care at all what you
think of the sources. That isn't important to my question and
like I said above, this is the last time I respond to your
Moonie Trolling in a serious way. I've tried many many many
times over the last year or two to get a reason out of you
other than "it's the moonies! gasp!" and got zippo. Go away
Moonie Troll.
\_ I love how you think the only person who has this opinion
is some lone motd nut. Ask any ten people about the
washington times, and eight of them will say "times? don't
you mean post? never heard of it." And the other two
will say "oh, yeah. that rightwing nut rag by the moonies."
Believe me. I've done this experiment. In fact, the *only*
place I've ever "met" *anyone* who's heard of washtimes
and doesn't think it's crazy rightwing propoganda by
a dangerous cult is here on the motd, in other words:you. |
| 5/24 |
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| www.washtimes.com/upi-breaking/20040721-081009-2541r.htm The official daily al-Sabah quoted the sources as saying the missiles were discovered in trenches near the city of Tikrit, the hometown of ousted Iraqi President Saddam Hussein. "The three missiles were discovered by chance when the Iraqi security forces captured former Baath party official Khoder al-Douri who revealed during interrogation the location of the missiles saying they carried nuclear heads," the sources said. They pointed out that the missiles were actually discovered in the trenches lying under six meters of concrete and designed in a way to unable sophisticated sensors from discovering nuclear radiation. The sources said al-Douri, who is related to former Vice Chairman of the Iraq Revolution Council and Saddam's right-hand man Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri, was captured after Iraqi police intercepted an e-mail message in which he set a meeting with another former Baath official. The report could not be authenticated by the interior ministry or the national security department, but the paper noted Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshiar Zibari made a surprise request recently to Mohammed el-Baradei, head of the International Atomic Energy Agency, to resume inspections for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. |
| tinyurl.com/6orqd -> www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/article_1433.shtml Photo capture of May 10, 2004 film captured by by Mexican Air Force pilots. com) - The Mexican Air Force released a film taken by their pilots May 10 of 11 bright, rapidly moving objects in the skies. Experts worldwide have said this film proves the existence of unidentified flying objects (UFOs). Military officials, however, have said, no conclusions had been reached about the objects origins. The countrys Defense Secretary, General Ricardo Vega Garcia, gave the videotape to Jaime Maussan, who is considered an expert in the field because he has spent a decade researching UFOs. Mr Maussan claimed the videotape was evidence that UFOs exist. The video was especially significant since it was provided by the military, he told reporters. This is historic news, Mr Maussan was quoted as saying in various newspapers. exist, but none had the backing of the armed forces of any country. The film showed the objects were flying at more than 11,480 feet over the southern Campeche state and was filmed March 5 by pilots using a video camera with an infrared lens. According to the pilots accounts in news reports, the objects appear to accelerate rapidly and change course suddenly. At least one crewmember testified in a videotaped interview that the objects encircled the military jet at a distance of at least two miles. The pilots were on a routine drug surveillance mission when they saw something strange. They used infrared equipment to detect heat emanating from the objects. This process is unable to provide an image of the objects exact forms. The military responded to Mr Maussans analysis with uncertainty and skepticism. For that reason, he was given (the video), so that he could draw his own conclusions, General Vega told Mexico-based W Radio. General Vega explained that he decided to release the videotape to the scientific community for study after determining it did not pose a threat to national security. He also countered his critics by saying that the military had not released the tape to distract the nation from other issues, such as a political corruption scandal, as some news commentators had implied. Critics of the conclusion that the objects were UFOs have said they could possibly be atmospheric gasses. Julio Herrera, a nuclear science researcher at the National Autonomous University, told the San Francisco Chronicle that the bright blurs could have been caused by electrical flashes emitted spontaneously by the atmosphere. They are very strange phenomenon and there is little information about them, Mr Herrera said, Thats whats so interesting. He also told the San Francisco Chronicle that more data than is available on the videotape would be necessary to determine if that hypothesis was correct, including precise information on atmospheric conditions at the time the lights appeared. General Vega told reporters that he first thought the objects were drug trafficking planes, but when I began to see that they had those lights ... The defense chief told reporters that he had warned those under his command to stop discussing flying saucers and UFOs when talking about the video because that just provokes doubts and jokes. |
| tinyurl.com/56kje -> www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackageArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=551156§ion=news Iraq dismisses nuclear find report Wed 21 July, 2004 14:46 BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Iraq's Interior Ministry has dismissed as "stupid" a report in a local newspaper that said three nuclear missiles were found near Saddam Hussein's hometown of Tikrit. A senior US military official told reporters on Wednesday he had no information on the report in the Iraqi newspaper al-Sabah. Asked by Reuters about the report, a spokesman at the Interior Ministry said: "It's stupid." The report, picked up the United Press International news agency, sent the US dollar higher against other major currencies on the foreign exchanges. The United States and Britain launched last year's invasion of Iraq over accusations that Saddam had stockpiled weapons of mass destruction. |