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2004/7/20-21 [Industry/Jobs] UID:32367 Activity:insanely high 66%like:12088 66%like:30258 50%like:30016
17/20   motd poll: how much did you get for your last raise?
        \_ http://csua.com/Industry/Jobs
        \_ got a 6% raise just last week. Before that, my last raise was in
           early 2001 and that was 8%.
        \_ 10% cost of living increase in grad student stipend.  These happen
           in random years in response to competition from other universities.
        \_ buahahahah...: .
        \_ about 7% (including "bonus")
        \_ inflation adjustment of 3% on average.  I got a 8% raise only
           because couple guys in my project left and I was implying I was
           going to leave if I was not well compensated.
        \_ None (consultant) but manaegd to keep my rates constant, and
           noticed that nitpicking about $$$ by clients has decreased
           markedly over the past few months.  -John
        \_ 10% -- market rate adjustment and because I aksed.
        \_ Last "raise" (pay increase w/o a promotion) was 3 yrs ago.
           I think it was about 7%. I was promoted one grade level 2
           yrs ago and my pay went up about 15%. I haven't had a raise
           since then (I've survived 3 rounds of lay-offs, so I'm just
           glad to have a job). I'm in line for a promotion this year.
           If it happens my pay should go up 10% or so (not sure what
           "engineers" get paid at this firm, currently I'm just a
           "member of technical staff").
        \_ 3.4% in December 2003, 3.5% in Feb 2003.
        \_ 1.9 in 2/03, 2.7 in 2/04.  Didn't ask, no promotion.
        \_ 2% in 2/04, 0.5% in 2/03
        \_ Got a 3.5% COLA raise, but it got sucked up by higher benefit costs.
        \_ Got a 4% raise at my last yearly evaluation, which was in October.
        \_ So with the above responses the economy seems to be getting better?
           \_ The economy is getting better, but it's still very weak. It
              will most likeley not go back to the way it was in the
              forseeable future. This has been the worst recession in
              about 20 years.
                \_ WSJ had an article yesterday.  It says that the
                   recovery has happened for well-off americans but
                   low income and middle class americans are still
                   very much struggling.  for me, it seems that
                   those with money is going to do well in this
                   age of outsourcing and globalization, whereas
                   those with skills that can be oursourced are
                   going to continue to struggle.
                   \_ Rich get richer - same old story.  Only difference now
                      is that no one speaks for anyone but the rich.
                      \_ That is not new either. People who had money
                         during The Depression became very wealthy. I am
                         not sure if anyone has ever spoken for the poor
                         unless you mean activists like MLK.
                         \_ The progressives of the late 19th/early 20th
                            century are a good example...and both Roosevelts,
                            to some extent - Teddy more than Franklin, perhaps.
                            Current whiny left types are definitely not
                            included.  MLK would be, for sure.  There was
                            also more voices for the worker in the media in
                            the days before consolidation...
                            \_ even the Communist Party in China no longer
                               speaks for the poor.  funny, huh?
                     \_ Unions still speak for the working man. Who
                        isn't poor anymore, thanks to their efforts, but
                        doesn't really qualify as rich, either.
                  \_ here's the article if you have access to WSJ online.
                        http://tinyurl.com/6d6y6
                     incidentally, for those who haven't considered it,
                     the wsj has surpassed economist as my favourite rag.
                     it's worth considering even if you are not a pig
                     for finance and business news.  I agree with the
                     critism that the opinion pages are totally one
                     sided, but I find the rest of it rather balanced.
                     and its viewpoints are often quite refreshing
                     and insightful compared to more general news rags.
                     \_ Could you share the WSJ login?
                        \_ it's not free, so I can't.
                     \_ The WSJ has never been anything but a very vocal
                        advocate for unregulated markets and I really
                        doubt that anything has changed on that regard.
                        Do they discuss the pros and cons of socialized
                        medicine yet? Having said that, they are still
                        the best source for business news in America.
                        But I am boycotting them until after the election
                        since they have turned their opinion page into
                        a partisan hackfest. -long time WSJ reader
        \_ http://csua.com/Industry/Jobs
           \_ put your shit at the bottom like the rest of us
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edu/kchang/motd/Industry/Jobs \_ got a 6% raise just last week. Before that, my last raise was in early 2001 and that was 8%. These happen in random years in response to competition from other universities. I got a 8% raise only because couple guys in my project left and I was implying I was going to leave if I was not well compensated. I was promoted one grade level 2 yrs ago and my pay went up about 15%. I haven't had a raise since then (I've survived 3 rounds of lay-offs, so I'm just glad to have a job). If it happens my pay should go up 10% or so (not sure what "engineers" get paid at this firm, currently I'm just a "member of technical staff"). It will most likeley not go back to the way it was in the forseeable future. It says that the recovery has happened for well-off americans but low income and middle class americans are still very much struggling. for me, it seems that those with money is going to do well in this age of outsourcing and globalization, whereas those with skills that can be oursourced are going to continue to struggle. Only difference now is that no one speaks for anyone but the rich. People who had money during The Depression became very wealthy. and both Roosevelts, to some extent - Teddy more than Franklin, perhaps. There was also more voices for the worker in the media in the days before consolidation... com/6d6y6 incidentally, for those who haven't considered it, the wsj has surpassed economist as my favourite rag. it's worth considering even if you are not a pig for finance and business news. I agree with the critism that the opinion pages are totally one sided, but I find the rest of it rather balanced. and its viewpoints are often quite refreshing and insightful compared to more general news rags. See /csua/pub/jobs/ZoneLabs for details (Note also interested in Seniors looking to work part time, with possible full time employment after graduating or dropping out. Are you going to fix the "kills idle ssh connections" 'option' in 5x which has no option to disable this 'feature'? I rebuilt my home network so that I don't have to use zone alarm anymore. If someone won't use the free version, how many more won't pay for it? I fought long and hard to try and convince management/executives to hold the release but ultimately lost. The kills idle ssh connections bug has been fixed along with many other egregious bugs that should have prevented 50 from releasing in the first place. com) if you'd like an advance copy of the update, though from the sound of it i guess not. They pay a lot of money to young people straight out of college (so they don't really have any work experience to measure themselves against), put them in a pool of other young over- achievers, and tell them they're the best. That's the good part-- the bad thing is that they start thinking it normal to work 12 hour days, that there are no real jobs outside of the consulting outfit, and that they are some sort of loser if they get out of the "up or out" system. Only the really strong ones manage to avoid a total burnout. To be fair, a lot of the people I know at her outfit are of above average intelligence, except when it comes to saying "no" to being shat upon at work by managers and customers. I also think that you have to be a singular kind of defective to survive for long enough to get into senior management, so that breeds some pretty evil culture. were inevitably totally burned out and totally dissatisfied at having wasted a few years of their lives. put my resume out and got quite a few responses so far sticking at job until i find something, they will counter offer only when I will leave, not giving notice because they fire tons of people without notice. I also went and talked to my VP of Eng, it is delayed until mid next month. I think I'll put my resume out as well because if he's sincere, he should at least give me a good faith offer. Why would you let them know you were looking before you actually got a new job? My God, are Cal people really this unprepared for life in the real world? Notice means, "I already have a new job, I'm not interested in your counter offer, I hate your guts but I'm giving you two worthless weeks of slacking and short hours so you can't ruin my good name by saying I walked out with no notice". better yet, just give a day notice because I ain't coming back. people got laid off during the first round got six month of paid. in the real world, you'll just know how to whine and complain to the the money. Word gets around, and the world is small--and even if 9/10 of your colleagues are shit, you may find yourself working with the tenth someday, and want to leave him with a good impression. So he threatened to leave by giving the notice that he's looking for a job elsewhere. A raise granted under those conditions won't keep the employee around for more than 6 months. If he wants a raise he should ask for a raise and then when he doesn't get one they have no reason to waste his time with a fake counter. There's also the risk that they'll give him the raise he wants and then replace his ass 3 weeks later since they know he's going to quit in 6 months anyway *and* that other job is now gone so he's fucked. Get new job, quit old job, move on like a professional, forget about them. In the meantime I will look for a job and when I do find one, leave without 2 weeks notice. I just quit the worst job I ever had but I gave the 2 weeks. I slacked off, got paid for it, and they can't tell their manager buddies in other companies that I walked without notice. Slack off, come in late, leave early, take long lunches, accomplish nothing, but get those two weeks officially on the books. Better to be known as someone who quits without giving notice that someone who assaults his supervisors. I have been asked to do consulting for another company on the side. Any suggestions on places to look for finding how to set this rate? You can't charge more than what the other company willing to pay. That was a perfect completely true but totally worthless answer! It all matters to what the company willing to pay for your work. If the company don't think it can find someone reliable or capable, heck, they're willing to pay 2x, 3x or 5x. The key is to do your market research and find out what you're worth. If you're not using their facilities, you could probably argue 2x, but if you're at the office and using their equipment (which means you're not a contractor in the strictest sense of the word), then 15x is more appropriate, since you're only saving them benefits, not overhead. If it's not enough money, you won't be motivated to finish it. It was a huge pain \_ I did an on the site job for a few weeks at 1x. It was a huge pain in the ass and totally not worth it so I dropped it. Remember that people think you're worth what they're paying you. Whatever you do, you should not charge under $100/hr for real IT work. If you're just installing windows patches in some office, then less is ok. Remember, it costs them a shitload more to hire fulltime to do it and they don't have to pay your benefits, etc. Your current salary is only an amusing tidbit and shouldn't have much effect on what you charge since it's likely you're underpaid right now. How much would someone with your skills make today in the open market? The CSUA salaries I've seen posted over the years are always pathetically low. What contributions have you made, or skills do you have that would also merit the extra money? Even if your boss does agree that you should be given a raise based on "inflation" how is he going to argue on your behalf to -his- boss (or worse) Human Resources? It's better than having your position eliminated and/or sent overseas. Might also want to think about changing careers, if you are not on the mgmt track. The economy is up, people are hiring, salaries are going up. If you have any tech skills and can negotiate worth a damn and are willing to walk away from lesser offers you're good for the $100k range easy. The rest of you 70k bastards should go get real jobs and stop fucking up the pay scales for the rest of us. I still have an inflated dot-com era salary fro...
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