7/14    I just saw F911. I didn't know John Ashcroft was such a good singer.
        He is cool.
        \_ The movie had the opposite effect as intended on me.  The cheap
           potshots Moore took at Bush, Wolfowitz, etc., getting made up
           for the camera actually made me briefly feel sorry for the
           bastards.
           \_ I've heard that reaction from a lot of people; I think it's
              a pretty common reaction, actually.  I agree with most of
              Moore's politics, but that movie really sucked and was a cheap
              shot--with lousy editing to boot.
                \_ I agree. --liberal dem
        \_ The family of the Major who got blown up by a grenade in his
           tent is *really* pissed off that footage of his funeral was
           used without permission or even letting them know.  Moore is
           scum.  Bush's poll numbers are actually *up* since F9/11.  The
           American people know trash when they see it.
           \_ So when Fox News uses random footages of people's funerals
              for their touchy-feely stories without permission, it's
              perfectly okay?
              \_ How do you know they do it without permission?  And is Fox
                 the only news caster doing this?  Why do you single out Fox
                 news when they all do it?  Fox bad, everyone else good?
           \_ there is a WSJ poll recently, and the percentage of
              people who support bush among those who have
              seen the movie is about 1/2 of the percentage of people
              who support bush among those who intend to see the movie.
              \_ Stat 2.  It is a self selecting group that has seen/not seen
                 the movie.  The most hardcore leftists flocked to it on
                 opening.  The rest took a wait and see attitude.  Your stats
                 only prove that Moore is preaching to the choir.  The movie
                 has not changed the minds of some large percent of viewers.
                 Why do I have to explain such a simple concept on the motd to
                 what are supposed to be college students and alumni?
                 \_ er ... I just gave the stat as it is without any attempt
                    to interpret it.  it's you who just tried to interpret it,
                    rather unconvincingly.  you need to learn to get off your
                    soap box, and not spew misdirected saliva all over the motd.
           \_ Let me guess, they haven't even seen the movie.
           \_ Bush's poll numbers are not up. What poll have you been smoking?
              \_ It must be the FoxNews push poll.
                 "Do you support (a) a patriotic American who will fight
                 terrorists or (b) a communist liberal who will run this
                 country into the ground?"
                 \_ I hate bush. I *really* hate bush, but I don't hate bush
                    enough to ignore the truth:
                    http://www.zogby.com
                 \_ It isn't hard to get the full set of questions for most
                    polls.  Only politicians do push polls, not news orgs.
              \_ Up.  Polls are up.  Compare the last few days to what they
                 were just prior to F911 coming out.  New number minus old
                 number is positive.  Up.
                 \_ I don't know about the polls, but my erection is up.