7/2 So, those sarin and mustard shells... They dated from the 80s.
2 of the 18 contained cylosarin. The rest contained nothing.
Rumsfeld said the Polish defense minister told him this
week "that his troops in Iraq had recently come across
-- I've forgotten the number, but something like 16 or
17 -- warheads that contained sarin and mustard gas."
Rumsfeld added: "I have not seen them and I have not
tested them, but they believe that they are correct that
these, in fact, were undeclared chemical weapons."
Watch that spin!
\_ So the cumulative total that we know about is: 2 cyclosarin,
2 sarin IED, 1 mustard gas, various nuclear reactor
components, missile technology.
\_ Two sarin IED? Mustard? Didn't the lab tests come up
negative on those? "Various nuclear reactor components"
you are kidding, right? You mean the parts buried in some
guys garden back in 1991 and forgotten about? You are
really reaching here. Just as I thought, googling indicated
that the mustard had decayed over time and was inert.
JUST LIKE I TOLD YOU BEFORE THE WAR.
\_ Googling? You found an anti-Bush blog? I didn't need
Google to find that.
\_ Where are the references to your mustard, then? All
the stuff I can find was tested as inert.
\_ Let's not forget the timestamps on each. All are from 1980-
1988. How's that reprocessing coming along in NK?
\_ Pretty good I imagine considering they started in
the early '90s.
\_ Oh look, it's a liberal masturbation session on the
motd!
\_ what are you going to do with North Korea and
Pakistein, then? *NOTHING*
\_ Well, we're not going to turn a blind eye through
the entire 1990's while NK built up their nukes.
\_ What does the date matter?
\_ date matters because we knew about Saddam's chemical
and biological weapon back in the 1980s, and we gave
the blessing to use them against Iranians. Our
original excuse to invade Iraq was that he made more
WMD and capable of use them in 45 minutes.
\_ Capable of use them? Are you for real?
\_ Um, no. Saddam had to declare or show proof that he
disposed of the weapons. No age was specified.
\_ Purpose of the weapons inspections was to determine
if he had developed WMD since containment began.
If the shells date pre-containment, then we have
reason to believe that containment was working,
and therefore WMD was not a legit reason to invade.
\_ Um, no. He was supposed to declare everything he
had, not everything he was making.
\_ Read between the lines. Look at the purpose,
not the letter. Look up from the trees some
time and see the forest.
\_ So it was ok if he had a few thousand tons
of old WMD hanging out as long as we knew
about them? You need to *find* the forest
before you start worrying about the trees.
\_ Intel directly after the first war
said that he had been more advanced than
they thought, but that the bombing
campaign had returned him to insigni-
ficant threat level for R&D and
production. Pre-2nd war inspections
were looking for evidence of further
developments. None were found. Also,
if he has/had 1k+ tons of WMD, that
would be significant; David Kay and
crew told us they did not.
\_ Intel? The same intel told us from
multiple countries that he had lots
this time around. |
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