7/1 If democracy is so great, why are sodans still piss poor? Where the
MAJORITY does not get represented, but rather the few elite
and rich gets to control pretty much everything and the others
are treated as 2nd, 3rd, 4th class citizen? Explain that to
me. Most of the old officers you see on soda are from the
higher class, so they are very different from your average
user. What they need is a visionary leader that would
abandon their class system, but under 'democracy', they never
will. Some users will always be low class citizen, like
slaves.
\_ You're right, democracy is a big sham. The People must rule,
although since we're too stupid our Great Leader will rule for us,
in his magnificent benevolence! All hail the Great People's Leader!
All dissidents are evil imperialist lackeys, and must be reported to
your local People's Information Bureau at once!
\_ America's a republic, not a pure democracy. Majority rule is not
always a good thing.
\_ I know nothing about India, but I will point out that no one
ever claimed democracy was perfect, it's just the best thing
we've come up with so far. Of course the perfect government
would be a single person who always makes the right descisions.
If you can find any such person, I will be happy to live under
them.
\_ see. Kingdom of God where God is King
\_ We don't have the tech for a perfect society yet, even with
perfect decisions. Right now rough edges are unavoidable, maybe
this will change in a few hundred years. -- ilyas
\_ Yeah, we'll write a computer program to rule us all. Like in
the game Deus Ex.
\_ That's not the problem. The problem is scarcity and
insufficient understanding of genetics and aging. Those
problems will eventually go away, and that is what will
transform society, I think. -- ilyas
\_ There's always scarcity of land, even if you somehow
get free energy. This is worse if genetics and aging are
solved. The western oil-economies are comparitively
pretty rich today... I wonder what transformation you
expect to see?
\_ I heard a projection that the world's population will
stabilize at 11 bil. Most advanced countries today
are either breaking even or their population is
declining (with the notable exception of the US, due
to immigration and other 'exceptionalist' issues).
We are not going to run out of land, that's 19th
century Malthusian thought. The 'transformation'
I am talking about will have to do with the
elimination of most current political issues once
certain kinds of economic scarcities go away. Our
society is already very different because information
can be copied at virtually no cost in time or
money. -- ilyas
\_ Well, I don't think birthrates can easily be
predicted, and some land is likely to always be
more desirable than others. Western families
have to work to maintain their lifestyle and don't
have much time.
\_ You jest, but I think Ilya would actually suggest something
along those lines - although I think his term was
"benign dictator."
\_ But we already have the Illuminati!
\_ You don't seem to know much about India or Indian politics.
Most of the people in power today are members of the lowest
castes. Due to "enlightened" social policy (quota, &c.) most
high paying powerful government jobs are available only to
members of the lowest castes. These people, having little
or no social conscience, do little to help their fellow man,
prefering instead to shuttle public resources into their
own private domains.
own private domains. Its not that democracy doesn't work,
it is that it does. India is full of low caste uneducated
people and these are the same people who are ruling the
nation.
FYI, the elite of Indian society, the brahmins (about 1-2% of
the population), were usually among the poorest of all (for
various religious reasons). The idea that somehow they
systematically oppressed and continue to oppress the
lower classes/castes is ridiculous. In fact, most brahmins
leave India because they find that the social setup makes
it next to impossible for them to succeed.
The only way in which I find that one may blame brahmins
for the woes of India, is this: Nehru was a brahmin. He
was stupid enough to implement a command economy instead
of a open and free market. This ruined India for decades.
Thus if one man represents his caste, it is possible to
say that the brahmins ruined India.
\-mr. anon above: just out of curiosity can you
tell me where you "learned" all of this?
it is so far off, it's not worth correcting
but i am curious where it came from. --psb
\_ My parents are from India. Some
of my family is still there. I
frequently visit there.
I don't know which part you find
issue with, but this is what I
have seen and read about.
\_ There is nasty affirmative action in India which makes it
really really tough for Brahmins and Kshatriyas. Stupidity
doesn't end at US borders, it seems. -- ilyas
\_ Is it tougher for them than for members of the toilet
sweeping and rat catcher castes?
\_ As far as, for example, university admissions... yeah.
Ask any indian. -- ilyas
\_ how many indians have you asked? and did you ask
them what their castes are?
\_ I don't understand why this is relevant. Everyone I
know who is from India says this. You can google for
additional evidence on this. Do you think I am lying
or something? Ask Partha. -- ilyas
\_ I know there is something similar to affirmative
action in India. Please explain why it is "nasty"
and "stupid". And why it is "really really tough"
for Brahmins. Do you really know enough about
India to say that?
\_ In the words of Tyler Durden: "This conversation
is over." -- ilyas
\_ difficult to admit you have no clue what
you are talking about, eh?
\_ yes. A brahmin needs close to a perfect score on
an entrance exam, whereas a "rat catcher" only
needs 25%. Do you really want water quality
inspected by someone who got in with a 25%?
How about your health inspectors? Sometimes
it doesn't matter that you are "backwards",
there needs to be min standards.
\_ Are you a brahmin? If not, what caste are you from?
And what is your caste all about?
\_ Yes I am a brahmin. |
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