7/1     Hey Pro-China guy:  Are you trolling, or do you really think people
        should stop blaming China?
        \_ The PRC is the People's paradise on earth!  The freedom from
           evil capitalism and soul-crushing corporations have been
           brought by the glorious revolution.  China only has the most
           altrustic motives for Asia! The Evil Bush is trying to claim
           that China violates it's citizen's civil rights, but nothing
           could be further from the truth!  No one has died in China
           since the revolustion, the joy and peace of the revolution have
           since the revolution, the joy and peace of the revolution have
           made all Chinese immortal! Move to China today!
           -Pro-China guy #1 fan.
        \_ I just think the media is very biased about China.  It is a
           great country, the majority of people are happy, life is
                \_ tanklguy was awesome
           improving, the economy is doing well. Sure, there are a lot
           of things that can be done better, but the progress it has
           made in the last 10-15 years is second to none. Out of the
             \_ funny, I don't know what media, you read, but the media
                I read pretty much says this about china, and little
                else (well, recently there has been some "can it keep up
                the pace") -phuqm
           millions of stories that happen each day in China, the only
           thing that gets reported in the western media is how bad
           the Chinese government is. Oh, they did this, Oh they did
           that. Give me a break. Some would very much like to see
           China go the way of the Soviet and break up into pieces, do
           you really think that's good for the Chinese people?
           Democracy needs to come from within, not forced upon by
           some bully. There are better things to worry about in this
           country, like how BushCo fucked California and laughed all
           the way to the bank.
           \_ Yeah so when democracy comes from within, you should crush it
              with tanks, right?  BTW, what was the name of that guy who
              stood in front of the tank?  The one the entire world saw on
              film?  Oh that's right, we don't and will never know his name
              because shortly after that was filmed he was taken to an
              alley and shot in the head.
              \_ They're still looking for the tank guy.
           \_ So why can't the media report about Hong Kongers being unhappy
              over freedoms they've lost since China took over?  I mean,
              200K+ people in HK really did get out to protest today.
              I was not posting about China people being unhappy; I was
              posting about Hong Kong people being unhappy.
              \_ Goes to show that Taiwan should not unite with PRC
                 anytime soon.
           \_ recent WSJ journal articles reported on the rise of many
              middle class rooted, non-governmental organizations in
              China including home owners' associations which fight
              for the rights and interests of various communities of
              home owners, thousands of environmental groups, etc.
              Non-governmental organizations are important building
              blocks for democracy, since they bunch like-minded
              individuals together and give them support (finance,
              expertise, organizational) and voice.  Without them, it's
              just the all-powerful government and powerless individuals.
              Sounds like a very positive article to me.  In fact,
              many of the WSJ articles about China are very fair
              and balanced, in my opinion.  That's not to say that
              some US media are very anti-China.
              some US media aren't very anti-China.
              \_ Until the Chinese government outlaws these organizations as
                 being anti-revolution and puts a bunch of their leaders into
                 insane asylums.
                 \_ they may try, but will they be successful?  do not
                    underestimate the power of hundreds of millions of
                    little bourgeoisies.  the population make up of
                    china has shifted in the past 3 decades.
                    \_ I am suspecting that the Chinse Communist Party will
                       fall out of power as hardliners die off.  Never
                       underestimate the power of apathy.