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2004/6/30-7/1 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China] UID:31103 Activity:high
6/30    "Voters are being pressured by employers and others to back
        pro-Beijing candidates and encouraged to photograph marked ballots
        with cell phone cameras to prove their patriotism."
        http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A16223-2004Jun29.html
        \_ Sounds like a good market for faked photographs.
        \_ Well, now that we're wriggling out of Iraq, maybe we can make
           strong staments against China again.
           \_ Exactly. How else can BushCo fuck the tax payer's money to make
              them rich? China is the perfect 'enemy' after Iraq. Do we all
              remember the spy plane incident? Yeah, they have us believe
              China would nuke us any minute back then. Fuck BushCo, piece
              of shit.
               \_ I'm not a big fan of the rambling haters on the motd
                  either, but I don't think it is fair to impersonate/
                  charicature them like this, as perhaps (though it seems
                  unlikeley) someone will think it is an earnest post.
                  \_ Who's he impersonating, Lupo the Butcher?
        \_ So what?
           \_ You are in a maze of ignorance, surrounded by twisty passages,
              all alike.  I wish you would be eaten by a Grue.
              \_ Stop criticizing China and spend your time on more
                 productive things, like vote Bush down and make sure
                 this country is not as fucked up as it is now. Geez.
                 What's next? Bush will send our spy planes to fly
                 REAL close to China and to provoke them to distract
                 us from his incompetence? Yeah, China is the biggest
                 threat to peace on this planet next to Iraq huh?
                 \_ The Washington Post is criticizing China.
                    The Post is also criticizing Bush policy.
                    Why not do both?
                    \_ I am just so fed up seeing all the anti-China
                       posts. BushCo stirs it up for its own evil
                       reason and the media buys it. Everything you
                       see in the media about China is negative. All
                       because of what? Because BushCo wants a public
                       enemy so they can dump the taxpayer's money
                       onto the defense companies and make them rich.
                       The problem with defense companies is they
                       don't go together peace and prosperity. BushCo
                       will get rich when the world is at war, and it
                       is what we are now. Wake up people, there are
                       bigger things to worry about than China trying
                       to convince its voters to vote for pro-beijing
                       leaders to keep their country intact.
                       \_ "convince" its voters
                           \_ Of course. China does not have laws that
                              legalize corruption. Political
                              contribution IS corruption legalized. In
                              China, some gets their head chopped off
                              for taking money, in the US, it's all
                              OK. Candidates openly ask for money, and
                              Bush surely made anyone contributed to
                              his campaign filthy rich, all legalized
                              and taken for granted. Perhaps there's a
                              lot China can learn from the US....
                              \_ Why is there a protest of 200K+ Hong Kongers
                                 today? http://csua.org/u/80h
                                 \_ Because HK people have been
                                    brainwashed for centuries by the
                                    Brits. They'd rather lick the feet
                                    of a Brit than stand up and be a
                                    man themselves. If your country is
                                    occupied by someone else for so
                                    long, you'll know. Just look at
                                    Taiwan, they still 'look up' to
                                    Japan, even though Japan invaded
                                    them and treated them like 2nd
                                    class citizen. Same thing with HK.
                                    HK people are gutless because they
                                    never ruled themselves. Having a
                                    Brits at the top makes them feel
                                    more secure, because that's the
                                    way they are brought up to believe
                                    in. Anything mainland China say
                                    must be wrong.
                                    \_ This is such an awful troll. Most
                                       HK people have only been there since
                                       the 50's or 60's.  If you think Beijing
                                       knows what's best for HK then I don't
                                       know what to tell you.
                                        -jeffwong
                                    \_ I'm sorry, did you miss the Cultural
                                       Revolution, the Gang of Four, and
                                       Tianamen Square?  PRC elites treat their
                                       own people like 2nd class citizens.
                                       Sure, bribery is punishable by death,
                                       but you're much more likely to be
                                       charged if you don't belong the Party
                                       and toe the party line.  It's not a
                                       People's Paradise; it's an old-fashioned
                                       oligarchy, and it needs to be squished.
                                       \_ Every attempt to squish an oligarchy
                                          results in a new and much worse
                                          obligarchy.  Communism is an example.
                                    \_ uh oh ... I don't like BushCo's
                                       fear-mongering with regard to
                                       China, but I like Hong Kong
                                       people's resistance to China's
                                       attempts to silence dissent.
                                       I don't see any contradiction
                                       with holding both views.  Attempts
                                       to link the two is mostly unwarranted.
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