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6/29    Man, why couldn't we have teachers like this in HS? Cuz
        we were geeks?
        http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/South/06/29/teacher.sex.ap/index.html
        \_ TILF!!!
        \_ I just don't understand kids these days;  Murder, rape,
           ratting on hot teachers that deign to fuck them.  There is
           some serious lack of morality in today's teens.
           \_ Maybe it was the ticked off cousin that wasn't getting any...
        \_ What's worse is that it wasn't HS. It was MIDDLE SCHOOL. The
           kid is 14. If I am her new husband I am very, very embarrassed.
           \_ Maybe she had a "temporary marriage" and it's all ok.
           \_ Clearly this is the result of legalizing gay marriage.
              \_ Why do you hate Gay America?
           \_ Many (most?) high schools are 4 years.  14 is usually a 9th
              grader, which would be in high school.  (I was 13 in 9th for
              a while, so YMMV)
           \_ her wedding pics with her now embarassed husband:
              http://www.mjmorningshow.com/morning_DebraPics.html
              http://www.mjmorningshow.com/morning_DebraPics2.html
              The police report is hot reading also- apparently, she's
              shaved and did oral on the boy.
              \_ URL?
              \_ I heart double standards... Picture this conversation if
                 it was a 23 year old male teacher sleeping with a 14 year
                 old girl.  Something tells me you all wouldn't be drooling
                 over "hot police reports."  Then again, this is soda...
                 \_ well, what is the harm here exactly? the kid might be
                    distracted from school I guess. But that would happen
                    anyway if he got a girlfriend his own age.
                    \_ Uh, I think you completely missed my point.
        \_ http://www.japantoday.com/e/?content=popvox&id=485
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US Teacher charged with having sex with 14-year-old student Lafave Middle-school teacher Debra Beasley Lafave, left, is led from the Marion County Sheriff's Office in Ocala, Florida, on Monday. TAMPA, Florida (AP) -- A 23-year-old middle-school teacher was charged with having sex with a 14-year-old student in a classroom, at her apartment and, once, in a vehicle while the teen's 15-year-old cousin drove. Detectives said that the cousins provided matching statements incriminating Debra Beasley Lafave and that the 14-year-old described Lafave's apartment and her tattoos and birthmarks. Lafave, who teaches reading in the Tampa suburb of Temple Terrace, was arrested there last week on lewd and lascivious battery charges, accused of having sex with the teen earlier this month at her apartment and in a portable classroom at Greco Middle School. She was out on bond on those charges when she turned herself in Monday in Marion County, about 80 miles north of Tampa, where the cousin lives. There, she is charged with lewd and lascivious battery and exhibition. Her lawyer, John Fitzgibbons, said he was not ready to respond to the allegations. "There is a presumption of innocence in this country," he said. The teen told investigators that he and Lafave got to know each other during a class trip last month, and their sexual relationship began June 3 The boy told detectives that Lafave told him that her months-old marriage was in trouble and that she was attracted to him because having sex with him was not allowed. Lafave, who has worked with the Hillsborough County school system for two years, has been placed on administrative duty and could be suspended without pay at the next school board meeting, officials said. In Marion County, authorities say Lafave had sex with the student in the back of her sport utility vehicle while the cousin drove them around the Ocala area.
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Naoko, 22 "If a teacher tried to go out with an elementary school student or someone younger, that would be a crime. I used to go out with a 31-year-old guy when I was a high school student. I think high school students are able to think like an adult. If a teacher teaches his girlfriend or her boyfriend at school, I think that is still OK. It must be a student's gift from God if he or she can attract a teacher. On the other hand, other students will be worried about unfair treatment from the teacher. When I was a high school student, a friend of mine and her teacher were going out, and it was like that. Everyone else practically stabbed them in the back, but I looked at them as a normal couple." Asako Tokunaga, 21 "If I were a teacher and Yousuke Kubozuka (an actor) or a nice-looking guy was in my class, I would like him to make love to me, but it is just a fantasy. In reality, a teacher should not go out with his or her student. When I was a high school student, a friend of mine was going out with a teacher. Many teachers are not always perfect and students sometimes criticize them. After I heard about my friend's relationship with my teacher, I could not talk about him with her. Also, a teacher is supposed to talk with a student and sometimes give compliments to the student. However, even if a teacher talked to me in a friendly way or paid me a compliment, I would doubt his motive in saying something like that. If a teacher goes out with a student, there will be a weird atmosphere in class. If a student is a university student and old enough to share their thoughts and values as adults do, I would say it is OK. However, I cannot believe a teacher who looks at his or her student as a romantic partner. Sara Okubo, 21 "When I was a high school student, a classmate and my teacher disappeared from school all of a sudden at the same time. That was because she became pregnant with my teacher's baby. I do not remember what people said about them at the time, but I am sure they all said something dirty about them. My objective view is that these things can happen between men and women." Shu Sato, 21 "The rules say that teachers and students must not go out. That applies to elementary school teachers, but at university, there isn't much difference in their ages, so I think they are OK to go out." Junichi Sato, 36 "As a father of a girl and a boy, I do not want that sort of thing to happen at school. If that happened to my beautiful girl, I would cry so hard. If they start going out after graduation or they are from different schools, it is OK because it won't affect the student's grade. However, a teacher-student relationship is bad, bad, bad. Many pretty girls came to the school and many foreign teachers were going out with their students. ECC does not give a serious grade to their students, but it creates a mental demarcation between student and teacher." Christopher Goto, 25 "I don't think there is anything wrong with it whatever the age. Sometimes people complain that students are too young, too inexperienced, know nothing and so on. However, if both parties are willing to go out, then other people should not bother them. The law allows us to marry at age 16 for women and 18 for men, so if teachers and students do not violate this law, then it's no problem. However, the teacher needs to put personal matters aside when he or she is at school and never tease students even in a playful way. Japanese companies often ban office romance, but I don't understand why. They do not pay for employees' private time, so how come they can control it? They just kick ass and do whatever they want with staff." If you fall in love with a special person, you accept that person. If a teacher goes out with his or her student, I suppose the teacher will grade the student better. When a teacher-student relationship gets really serious, they run away somewhere and that causes big trouble. There is the danger that a teacher who has no control over his or her emotions and knows no norm can degrade the school and the student's parents. However, if they behave naturally at school and observe the proper TPO (time, place, occasion), I say a teacher can go out with a mature student. Of course, if I were a university professor, I would like to find a cute boy in my class. However, if a teacher approaches a preschool, elementary or junior high school student, that is a crime. That's anothing thing you see on TV -- teachers who have been sexually harassing or emailing students just like a psycho." If a relationship is going on at university level, that is fine. However, students will definitely worry about the possibility of an unfair grading. If a student is going out with a teacher, he or she should not be in that teacher's class." Click here to see all messages by gucci (Jun 3 2004 - 13:24) another thing that bugs me is when they bust the kiddie porn rings they always catch a load of teachers and priests. Click here to see all messages by Nessie (Jun 3 2004 - 14:02) "another thing that bugs me is when they bust the kiddie porn rings they always catch a load of teachers and priests" Partly it's because it makes for particularly juicy headlines. I suspect this helps to over-represent these groups in the public consciousness as molesters. What do you think about teachers and students having relationships? Click here to see all messages by molecule (Jun 3 2004 - 14:43) I wonder if the students of HS or JHS age who have a sexual relationship with teachers were abused? htm#Risky click on History of sexual abuse increases risky sex in teens "another thing that bugs me is when they bust the kiddie porn rings they always catch a load of teachers and priests" Oh no its not just them and its ruling out a lot of people to think that way. Click here to see all messages by molecule (Jun 3 2004 - 14:59) "People often choose their profession according to their interests." or because they like having food, shelter, and clothing. Child molesters can be in any profession, perverts are not isolated to one group of people. Remember the Japanese economist who was arrested recently for peeking up a gril's skirt in Shinagawa? He had a respectable career, he was well known on tv so one could assume he wasa faily intelligent guy. Teachers having sex with HS and younger students is just wrong. Professional teachers should never get involved with their students, whatever their age - however genuine the attraction may turn out to be, it is an abuse of one's position to date a student, as you are assuming a degree of responsibility for that person in teaching them. If you want to date your students, find a way to get them in another class or a different school. I don't blame these English schools for banning student-teacher relationships: you take your money, you accept your responsibility. Click here to see all messages by canuck (Jun 3 2004 - 20:07) ... but colleges and universities here are like the schools. you pay, you show up sometimes, you pass on schedule, with all the others, like you, the teacher, your parents, friends and everyone else always knew you would. it really bothers me that these subjects generally believe that it is actually better if a university professor is dating a student Asako: "If a student is a university student and old enough to share their thoughts and values as adults do, I would say it is OK." but at university, there isn't much difference in their ages, so I think they are OK to go out" Shinzen: "If a relationship is going on at university level, that is fine." If you altered the dynamic of the question, I think the answers might be quite different. If it was a 16 year old boy and a 34 year old female teacher, I think there would be a different opinion. Or better yet, a 16 year old boy and a 60 year old male professor, I could just imagine how those who favored perhaps a female high school student male professor dynamic would spend their time highlighting what a disgusting predator the woman teacher dating the HS boy or the old teacher dating a HS boy were. My thought: Teachers shouldn't date their students, period. Not even those putting on the pretense of teac...