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2004/6/19-20 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:30918 Activity:very high
6/18    Stuff like this always confuses me.  Why do activists always
        preach to the choir?  Shouldn't liberals demonstrate and put of
        flyers in, say, Bakersfield?  Where they might actually be able
        to find people who don't agree with them?  (And therefore convert
        them)
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/06/19/DDG7R781041.DTL
        \_ ok, now i'm confused.  I thought you morons believed that
           liberals control all the media.  doesn't that mean we have a
           *much* better way of telling the world about our evil agenda,
           which we force on the world every day?
           \_ hi troll!  people in bakersfield don't read your newspapers
              or watch your tv news anchors.  mostly, they either ignore it,
              shake their fists at it, or laugh at it.  so, if you want to
              preach to the unconverted you have to go to them.  bye troll!
              \_ so they don't watch any tv news or read any newspapers
                 in your world?  well, if that's true, why are you so
                 concerned about the Liberal Media Conspiracy?  What harm
                 is it doing if no one ouside of the Evil Liberal cities
                 like Jew York actualy watch the Commie News Network?
                 Why not come up with a self-consistent set of paranoid
                 delusions?
                 \_ You score 2 points for selectively choosing which part
                    of my post to reply to and at the same time putting words
                    in my mouth.  I never said they don't witness your
                    media's drivel.  Go re-read what I said and respond to
                    that and we can try again, troll.
                 \_ The great thing about the Liberal Media Conspiracy is
                    that it provides a convenient bogeyman that can never
                    be voted out of office.
                    \_ So I went over to http://nytimes.com today to check out the
                       apparently rather vicious review of Bill Clinton's new
                       book.  And what do I see on their site if not an advert
                       from the Kerry campaign asking for 50 bucks.  I've never
                       seen any republican campaigns advertise there.  Why do
                       you suppose that would be? -- ilyas
                       \_ We know that anyone who might donate to Bush is
                          obviously either evil or stupid and all those
                          red necks and hicks can't read anyway so it would
                          be stupid to advertise in the NYT.  The Republicans
                          only collect money during Church services I'm told.
        \_ Because if liberals actually did that they'd realize how futile
           and naive their "cause" is. Reality bites.
           \_ Yeah, right.  It's obviously soooo much better to be an apathetic
              cynical 'realist' like you.  Get serious.
        \_ For the same reason they scream and protest when some knuckle
           draggers take some silly pictures of naked Iraqi dudes but don't
           say a peep about honest to god genocide in other countries.
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Click to View graphical line In the past five days, the posters have appeared mysteriously on walls and buildings across San Francisco. They feature the most enduring image of the Abu Ghraib prison scandal -- the Iraqi man, hooded, his hands tied with electrodes -- but this time, the prisoner is set against an American flag, and this time, the image is juxtaposed with a headline that reads, "got democracy?" The poster is designed to make people question whether the United States is adhering to democratic ideals if American soldiers have been guilty of widespread prison abuse, if the Patriot Act continues to trample civil liberties, and if Washington continues to instigate questionable policies, says the poster's co-creator, San Francisco novelist Robert Mailer Anderson. "It's not pro-Democrat, it's not pro-Republican -- it's supposed to make you think," says Anderson. The Guantanamo Bay issue of suspending people's rights - - Americans and Iraqis -- smacks of McCarthyism, which is a kind of fascism. Billions of dollars are going toward (Iraq) and yet we don't have money for our schools and our homeless and we don't have a national health-care program? And a large part of the (Iraq) money goes to (Halliburton), which our vice president was formerly president of and is a large stockholder in? If (this) were any other country -- and use the criteria that Bush uses toward other countries -- we'd not be called a democracy now." In a liberal city like San Francisco, perhaps it was only a matter of time before someone initiated such a poster campaign. Anderson did it for two main reasons: He was angry about Washington's policies, and he was personally affected by the Patriot Act when he tried to catch a flight at San Francisco International Airport with his 2-year-old daughter. Security personnel prevented Anderson's daughter from boarding because she was on a "no-fly list. "It was such a joke," says Anderson of the SFO incident, which happened last month. Not only is the government morally suspect with our rights as Americans -- given our Bill of Rights and the Constitution -- but they're also inept. Anderson spent $3,000 to print 1,000 posters and have them put up, mainly around downtown and the South-of-Market area. Some people are even taking the posters down, apparently as personal souvenirs of the times we live in. Anderson, 35, created the campaign with his cousin, Zack, who's also a writer. Anderson says he might spend more money to put up posters in other Bay Area cities and even the rest of the country. In New York, subway riders have seen a poster (featuring the hooded Iraqi prisoner) that's a takeoff of Apple computer's iPod campaign. Anderson's posters don't feature his or his cousin's name, and he says he's not trying to bring himself more attention. Author of the novel "Boonville," Anderson says his need to do something was partly sparked by a play he's working on -- a play "that is mostly about my neurosis about the way the world is right now, especially America's place in it. Things are just completely out of hand, and I felt like I had to work something out; I have two children and my wife is pregnant, and you have no business bringing people into the world if you don't think it's a decent place. As a father, as a citizen, and as an artist, you have to do what you can do, and at that moment it just seemed like this was all I could do -- something as silly and easy to get out of my system as this poster."
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