6/11 poll, USA was safer before/after the fall of USSR:
before: .
after:
\_ better question is if the USA was safer before the Muslim
genocides in the 800s or after
\_ There was the USA in the 800s?
\_ why do you hate America?
\_ Inhabited by pre-Americans.
\_ This is just stupid. Was the USA safer when we and the USSR were
pointing 30,000 nukes in each direction and willing to kill every
human being on the planet or are we safer now that they're gone,
the Russians are in the G8 and we have cordial chats with them
about world affairs? New poll: is it better to live a long and
happy life or a short painful miserable one? Duh.
\_ myth: world was unsafe because of USSR
fact: none of the nukes were actually used
\_ fact: both sides had itchy trigger fingers. you're safer when
one side ceases to exist and there's no one looking for an
excuse to destroy the world. im stunned we're even having
this discussion.
\_ But after the fall of USSR, their nukes can now be easily stolen
or purchased for the price of a BMW. So now we don't even know
who has them.
\_ Yes, but in this case, if ONE is used against us, it isn't
clear who we can counter-strike against, and then suddenly
we'll "find" lots of funds to go find the rest.
\_ Exactly. It's the perception of ominous threat vs. reality.
In reality, we are in far more danger now because the nukes
can and will fall into the wrong hands now that there is no
more than an anemic military watching the shop. I'm not saying
the fall of the USSR was a bad thing, but this is not one of
the reasons it was a good thing. The USSR did not want to use
their nukes any more than the USA did. This cannot be said of
some of the folks with access now. -- ulysses
\_ Maybe, maybe, maybe, some terrorists will get a nuke,
figure out how to use it, get it somewhere, and detonate
it killing an entire city's worth of people. The other
way the USSR and US were prepared to kill *everyone*.
\_ Oh really? So there are thousands of ex-USSR nukes around
now? Where does it say they're that easy to buy?
\_ when USSR existed, 1/2 of the rogue country's frustrations and
anger were directed at USSR. Now all are directed at USA.
\_ I understand your probabilities argument but if it goes
off in my city. I'll be too dead and glowing to carei
how many other cities went at the same time.
\_ another problem with his probabilities argument is that
the ussr was brutal when it came to responses to arab
terrorists. there was a kidnapping of some russians in
the early 80s. the kgb sent the kidnapper his brother's
ears and one of his balls in a gift wrapped box. the
hostages were freed and no other russians were ever
taken again until after the fall.
\_ Except most of the terrorists (and mideast states)
were funded by the KGB.
\_ No, they were self funded on their own oil sales.
The other arab states then funded terrorists
around/in Israel.
\_ Wow! KGB >>> CIA. KGB rule!!!
\_ URL please?
\_ What are the odds I can find you a URL from the
early 80s?
\_ I didn't want an URL from the 80s. I want an
URL about that event in the 80s.
\_ Good luck. The entirety of human history is
not on the web. You have everything I
remember about the situation. Go google for
it for a few hours and let us know. |
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