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6/8     This isn't meant to be a troll, but it may come across as one.
        I've been wondering why far left types like Micheal Moore will
        tell you that morallity is realitive, so terrorist are not
        evil, they just have a different morality, but Moore calls BUSHCO
        evil constantly. Huh?
        \_ I think you'd be hard pressed to find a quote of Moore calling Bush
           evil.  In fact I'd be amazed if you could.
        \_ Relative Morality is the crutch of the atheist
        \_ Maybe we should add "WHY DO YOU SUPPORT TERRORISTS?" to one
           of the stupid things Republicans say about Democrats.
           \_ We Repukkklikans is all just st00pid!!  Weze awl jus sez wut
              Rush sez us to say!  Weze be so st00pid iz why yuze Dems runs
              da hole cun-tree nowz n fohevah n weze jus kin own-lee hopes
              y'awl lets us kepe lissenin too Rush evry dae!!!
        \_ He hasn't said anything of the sort about terrorists.  Yay for
           the Straw Man!
           \_ WHY DO YOU SUPPORT TERRORISTS?
        \_ Just because you believe morality is relative doesn't mean you can't
           have your own moral code.  I believe morality is relative, but
           because I have a personal moral code, there are people and things
           that I define as evil.
           \_ I have a question.  Why bother defining evil at all, if you
              believe in relative morality?  That seems like a needlessly
              judgemental attitude.  Live and let live, and so on. -- ilyas
           \_ Relative morality just lets you make the easy choices in life
              and self justify them.
              \_ No.  Relative morality != Fluid Morality.
                 Relative morality means acknowledging that things considered
                 bad in one culture might not be bad in another culture.
                 For example, Jefferson owned slaves.  Slavery is bad.
                 Jefferson is not bad because what he did was considered normal
                 in his time.  Thus Jeffreson owning slaves does not make him
                 evil, just not progressive.
           \_ I guess that makes sense.  Making morality statements is
              only stupid if other people are making them.
              \_ It's only stupid to assume everyone shares your morality.
                 Trying to hold everyone to your morality is just idealistic.
                 \_ So Moore is stupid?
                    \_ Where did he assume everyone shares his morality?
                       \_ That's pretty much all he does.  The statement
                          "BushCo is evil" doesn't even make sense if he
                          assumes no one else shares his morality.
                          \_ See above.  I'm pretty damn sure you couldn't
                             find that statement out of his mouth.  He portrays
                             \_ Would calling Bush, Cheney, and Ashcroft
                                "the real axis of evil" qualify?
                                \_ Find me the quote.  I believe you're
                                   actually misquoting Noam Chomsky
                                   \_ My fault.  I was wrong.  He didn't call
                                      them "the real axis of evil".  His exact
                                      quote is "the Axis of Uber-Evil --
                                      Bush/Cheney/Ashcroft --...".
                                      http://csua.org/u/7ns
                             things that he sees as wrong.  He doesn't call
                             anyone evil.  He calls on them to change, or on
                             the voters to make the change for them.
                          \_ I would read it as "I think BushCo is evil." and
                             not as a stement of fact, but it's open to
                             interpretation.
              \_ Don't bring facts into this.  Bastard.  He was feeling good
                 about himself until you stepped up and poked a hole in his
                 self esteem.
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Email Us Mike's Words : Mike's Message February 19, 2002 I'm with Stupid and Today is the Day Dear friends, Today is, frankly, a day I thought I would never see. That should be a simple event, as it happens every day with dozens of books that find their way to the bookstores of America. But eight weeks ago it appeared as if this might never happen for my book, Stupid White Men In those dark December days, as I was told that "changes had to be made," I was left to wonder if the 50,000 copies that had already been printed were well on their way to some big shredder in Pennsylvania. That was the option I was given -- rewrite the book and "tone down your dissent," or face the prospect of your book being "pulped." I refused to change a word and the publisher backed down. And thus, today, you are able to read my book, uncensored. I have had a small taste of the New Order in which we now live, and, folks, I gotta say, I don't like it one bit. The only good thing to come out of it is that they made a big mistake trying to silence the wrong guy. I had suggested to my publisher that maybe they should slap a sticker on the cover of my book reading, "APPROVED BY THE OFFICE OF HOMELAND SECURITY." I think any organization that is, in and of itself, an illusion meant to create a false sense of safety, should at least have its own seal with a gummy back. Amazon Nonfiction Bestseller List, and I got word today from two regional book distributors that the demand has been so high they are out of books! I don't want the Axis of Uber-Evil -- Bush/Cheney/Ashcroft -- to find out how well the book has been doing before it even goes on sale, as they must continue to believe the media mantra of, "ALL Americans are behind George W Bush!" and "Hail W, for it is you who has the HIGHEST approval ratings ever!" Let them take heart in that nonsense (who wouldn't tell a stranger, a "pollster," who has called you at home at 9 o'clock at night and asked you if you "APPROVE" of your "President," just as you were looking out your window and noticing that your neighbor, Fasoul Hussein Abdulah -- you know, the friendly guy who owns the 7-11 down the street -- is being hauled away by the Men In Black! The longer they keep believing their "ratings," the larger our numbers will grow. Sunday's Zogby Poll already had Bush at his lowest rating since before 9-11. Trust me, it only gets better from here on out, and you are welcome to mark "Stupid White Men Day -- February, 19, 2002" as the beginning of the end for Kenny Boy's boy. So, today, I begin my month-long book tour across the country. If you'll recall from the film I made of my last outing, "The Big One," this can be one wild ride. Instead, I am going to keep a simple diary on the road -- and I am going to make this diary open for you to view on my website. I promise to be as honest as I can, and I won't be pulling any punches. The O'Reilly Factor on the Fox Nudnick Channel to be interrupted -- I mean interviewed -- by its host, Bill O'Reilly. The fun begins at 8pm ET/PT, and you have to be part of the cable elite to witness this historic meeting of what hath become of Ireland's once great sons. Finally, I want you to know that I will be looking forward to only one thing during this entire book tour -- Opening Day of the 2002 Major League Baseball season! Because that is the day I am asking George W Bush to resign. And I want the resignation to take place right in the middle of Enron Field in Houston during the 7th-inning stretch of the Astros-Brewers game. I've asked if I can throw out the first pitch at 4:05pm CT. I mean, can there be a more perfect way to end the madness -- Bush, Lay, Mike, Texas, America's Favorite Pastime, and the visiting team from a Blue State owned by the Commissioner of Baseball (who will hand over his job to the ex-"president" as the fans sing "Da Do En-ron-ron Da Do En-ron")?