Berkeley CSUA MOTD:Entry 30661
Berkeley CSUA MOTD
 
WIKI | FAQ | Tech FAQ
http://csua.com/feed/
2025/04/04 [General] UID:1000 Activity:popular
4/4     

2004/6/8 [Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan] UID:30661 Activity:high
6/7     So I guess its okay to play politics with Reagan's death if you're
        a Republican:
        http://csua.org/u/7n9 (latimes link)
        \_ Idiot troll and a liar.  From your own link:

        '"Don't allow any of the commemorations to turn into a political
        rally," he advised. "If any Republican says at a memorial service that
        we should win one more for 'the Gipper' " paraphrasing Reagan's famous
        line from "Knute Rockne All American," in which he played Notre Dame
        football star George Gipp, "they're sunk."
        In fact, Gillespie and other Republican leaders have avoided that faux
        pas so far.'

        So no, it's not ok, they're not doing it, the LAT didn't say they are
        and you're a troll.  Why should your crap stay on the motd any longer
        than the mislabeled freeper links?
        \_ Who's the idiot?  You're quoting a CNN political analyst, not a
           GOP representative.  Look elsewhere in the article.
           \_ You're the idiot.  Quote something from elsewhere in the article
              you troll.
              \_ Fourth paragraph:
                 "But unofficially, several Republican strategists said the
                 nation's outpouring of nostalgia and respect for Reagan may
                 have offered Bush an opportunity to improve his flagging
                 popularity - if he can find a way to don the mantle of his
                 well-loved predecessor."
                 Of course nobody's going to say this directly ON THE RECORD.
                 And then there's the quote later from Bush's campaign
                 spokesman:  "The life and example of Ronald Reagan reinforces
                 how important conviction and determination are in a president,"
                 which is clearly directed at their opponent.  Come on.  Don't
                 be a fucking tool.  Its right in front of your face.
                 \_ Most of the benifit the article speculates about is
                    just a general side effect of Regan-nostalgia.  Of
                    course Bush is going to give a eulogy, are you
                    suggesting he shouldn't?  And of course he'll  say
                    nice things about Regan, and of course it will look
                    good for the cameras.  Are you suggesting he
                    shouldn't?  How do you think Bush should handle this
                    to elminate any possible political misuse? -jrleek
                    \_ He should avoid drawing false parallels between the
                       fall of the Soviet Union and the invasion of Iraq.
        \_ It's already happened. Republicans have praised Reagan's
           accomplishments as the touchstone for the World's Only Superpower
           for the last decade while ignoring the bad stuff. Democrats couldn't
           dare attack the poor old man with Alzheimers' for fear of looking
           mean-spirited. Even now, all the Republican praise centers around
           the Reagan Myth, while the Democrats will praise his "style" and his
           "patriotism" never mentioning Iran-Contra, S&Ls, internal corruption,
           the deficit, brinksmanship, secret wars, etc...
2025/04/04 [General] UID:1000 Activity:popular
4/4     

You may also be interested in these entries...
2013/2/10-3/19 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Uncategorized/Profanity] UID:54603 Activity:nil
2/10    I like Woz, and I like iWoz, but let me tell ya, no one worships
        him because he has the charisma of an highly functioning
        Autistic person. Meanwhile, everyone worships Jobs because
        he's better looking and does an amazing job promoting himself
        as God. I guess this is not the first time in history. Case in
        point, Caesar, Napolean, GWB, etc. Why is it that people
	...
2011/10/14-30 [Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan, Reference/Tax] UID:54197 Activity:nil
10/14   "SimCain?  Herman Cain's 9-9-9 plan resembles the tax code in SimCity"
        http://www.csua.org/u/uh9
        \_ "The Tax Reform Act of 1986: Should We Do It Again?"
           http://www.csua.org/u/uiu
           "Reagan built on their efforts and put forward a very detailed plan
           for tax reform in May 1985, based on several years of work by the
	...
2010/11/2-2011/1/13 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan] UID:54001 Activity:nil
11/2    California Uber Alles is such a great song
        \_ Yes, and it was written about Jerry Brown. I was thinking this
           as I cast my vote for Meg Whitman. I am independent, but I
           typically vote Democrat (e.g., I voted for Boxer). However, I
           can't believe we elected this retread.
           \_ You voted for the billionaire that ran HP into the ground
	...
2010/1/20-29 [Science, Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan] UID:53645 Activity:nil
1/20    Food for thought: kids today are more responsible and less selfish
        than kids from 80s... the REAGAN era.
        http://news.cnet.com/8301-19518_3-10434969-238.html
        \_ As a parent of a kindergartener, I don't think so.
	...
2009/12/25-2010/1/19 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:53603 Activity:nil
12/24   Why San Francisco and union and government suck:
        http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2009/12/unions-graft-stunning-incompetence-make.html
        \_ http://www.burbed.com/2010/01/03/san-francisco-richer-and-richer-and-richer
           San Francisco to become richer and richer and richer. It's
           Disneyland for adults! YAY!!!
        \_ No doubt that there is plenty of corruption in San Francisco that
	...
2009/9/25-10/8 [Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan] UID:53402 Activity:nil
9/25    Reagan's Legacy on the UC:
        http://www.newfoundations.com/Clabaugh/CuttingEdge/Reagan.html
	...
2009/9/15-24 [Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan] UID:53369 Activity:nil
9/15    WORST PRESIDENT EVER: Ronald Reagan. The president
        of GREED.  http://www.consortiumnews.com/2009/060309.html
        \_ You and Michael Moore are in agreement.
	...
2009/8/12-9/1 [Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold, Politics/Domestic/California/Prop] UID:53268 Activity:moderate
8/12    Thanks for destroying the world's finest public University!
        http://tinyurl.com/kr92ob (The Economist)
        \_ Why not raise tuition? At private universities, students generate
           revenue. Students should not be seen as an expense. UC has
           been a tremendous bargain for most of its existence. It's time
           to raise tuition to match the perceived quality of the
	...
2009/2/25-3/3 [Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan] UID:52635 Activity:nil
2/25    Thank you Obama for pledging to reverse much of Reagan's economic
        mess. Thank you!
        http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/24/analysis.obama.reagan
        http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-219640
        \_ About time. The last 25 years have been a disaster for the middle
           class.
	...
2008/11/7-13 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51881 Activity:very high
11/7    Obama's draft goes down the memory hole
        http://tinyurl.com/63mbfa (LGF)
        \_ Oh please, let me quote the GOP from when that pompous cybersec guy
           came to ask cs studentds help in 02.  "GET OVER IT."
        \_ You guys are irrelevant. No one cares what you think anymore.
           Shut up and eat your Freedom Fries.
	...
Cache (5791 bytes)
csua.org/u/7n9 -> www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-bushreagan8jun08,1,1374360.story?coll=la-headlines-nation
By Doyle McManus, Times Staff Writer WASHINGTON -- Can Ronald Reagan's political magic work in one last election -- this time for President Bush? Republican strategists acknowledged Monday that they hope the nation's week of mourning for Reagan, who died Saturday, will turn into a boost for Bush's reelection campaign. advertisement Officially, GOP leaders said it would be unseemly to talk about the political impact of Reagan's death. "We just want to make sure that Ronald Reagan's legacy is honored," Republican Party national chairman Ed Gillespie said. But unofficially, several Republican strategists said the nation's outpouring of nostalgia and respect for Reagan may have offered Bush an opportunity to improve his flagging popularity -- if he can find a way to don the mantle of his well-loved predecessor. Even before Reagan's death, Bush and his campaign deliberately borrowed some favorite themes from the Republican revolution of 1980: optimism, national confidence, military strength, tax cuts, economic recovery. This week, trying not to sound overtly political, Republican spokesmen again looked for polite ways to remind voters that Bush is, in many ways, Reagan's ideological heir. "The life and example of Ronald Reagan reinforces how important conviction and determination are in a president," Bush campaign spokesman Terry Holt said in an apparent dig at Bush's presumed Democratic challenger, Sen. "Reagan's legacy of optimism and of patriotism should inspire everybody, regardless of political party." On Friday, in a eulogy he is to deliver for Reagan at the Washington National Cathedral, Bush will have a chance to make that point himself -- if only by implication. The eulogy is being prepared by Bush's chief speechwriter, Michael Gerson, who also wrote the president's moving speech for a memorial service in the same cathedral after the Sept. The cycle of mourning for Reagan could bring Bush one other bonus, Republican pollster Bill McInturff said: It will take Americans' minds off the recent spate of bad news from Iraq. The revelation that US troops had abused Iraqi detainees at Abu Ghraib prison sent voters' confidence and Bush's popularity reeling during the last month, McInturff said. "This is a country that thinks of itself as moral and law-abiding," he said. but remembering Reagan has been a perfect counterpoint, reminding us of a time that made America feel good about itself. "This national dialogue about Reagan could wash away the focus on the prison story and do a lot to rebalance public opinion," McInturff said. back where it ought to be, and that will be a very good outcome for the campaign." McInturff added that a week or two of focusing on Reagan, no matter how helpful to Bush, would not decide the presidential election. "However major this story is in June, it's very rare that something like this will determine what happens in November," he said. But he argued that the coming week could "reset" public sentiment and stop what had been a gradual slide in Bush's popularity -- "and if that happens, that's a big deal." Other political analysts said the glow of nostalgia for Reagan's presidency was unlikely to warm voters long enough to carry them to the polls for Bush in November. "If this had happened in mid-October, it might have been different," said William Schneider, CNN senior political analyst and a fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. "Bush's fate is dependent on events from here on out," Schneider said. What if there's a smooth transition in Iraq, and diminishing casualties? All of those events could help Bush much more than Ronald Reagan. "I would expect this week's events to produce some modest improvement in Bush's approval ratings, but I don't expect it to last unless some of those other things happen." But the mourning for Reagan could hide a trap for Republicans, Schneider warned: the temptation to make too much political hay of the former president's death. "Don't allow any of the commemorations to turn into a political rally," he advised. "If any Republican says at a memorial service that we should win one more for 'the Gipper' " -- paraphrasing Reagan's famous line from "Knute Rockne All American," in which he played Notre Dame football star George Gipp, -- "they're sunk." In fact, Gillespie and other Republican leaders have avoided that faux pas so far. Another political expert, former Reagan aide David Gergen, warned that Bush faces another peril: He may emerge from a week of comparison to Reagan looking distinctly second-best. "To a considerable extent, the celebration of Reagan includes the celebration of his values and his conservatism, and that should benefit Bush as Reagan's heir," said Gergen, who also worked for President Clinton. "The imponderable is whether Reagan looks so large that Bush, by contrast, looks diminished," he said. it's going to be hard for this president to be seen on the same plane." "Bill Clinton is about to bring out his memoirs and go on a book tour," he said. Kerry, for his part, has suspended public campaign events until after Reagan's funeral, which meant canceling two large fund-raising concerts in Los Angeles and New York. "This is a week in which there's not much Kerry can do," said Stephen Hess, a scholar at the Brookings Institution, a centrist Washington think-tank. "The attention of the world is directed otherwise, and there's no way he can turn Reagan into a Democratic icon. "But a campaign is the sort of thing you measure in weeks -- as in 'Kerry had a good week' or 'Bush had a good week,' " Hess said. "Bush will spend this week not as a candidate but as our president, and I'm sure he'll give a very eloquent eulogy on Friday, and that will be nice. And then next week they'll go back to business as usual."