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6/5     First Wave at Omaha Beach - a recounting by military historian
        S.L.A. Marshall from 1960. A vivid account of D-Day.  Also
        interesting to note that many of the German forces at Normandy
        were POWs (including some Korean) and that had two Panzer
        divisions inland been closer to shore the invasion would have been
        a complete failure.
        http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/925041/posts
        \_ ok, i have a stupid question for you military history buffs.  why
           was use of a shield abandonned in the gun era?  Couldn't the groups
           of men coming off the boats have used shields to make a kind of
           "tortoise shell" the way roman soldiers used to do?  obviously it
           woudln't be totally effective, and would hamper returning fire,
           but it seems that in that particular situation it would have made
           a big difference.
           \_ Uh, it's called a tank. You know, the weak ass Sherman tanks.
              \_ More importantly, there were supposed to be tanks right up
                 there in the front, and the soldiers were told to get behind
                 them.  But at Omaha, the tanks pretty much all sank.  There's
                 some show on the history channel about scuba diving down to
                 figure out why the tanks didn't make it, but I didn't catch
                 the conclusions.
                 \_ woah! the tanks are still there?
                 \_ I think that the gist of it was that the tanks were
                    outfitted with a canvass skirt thing to turn them into
                    makeshift boats, but because it was not tested in rough
                    seas, the design was flawed and when they tried using them
                    for real they all got swamped, the motors stalled, and they
                    sank.
                    \_ Here's where the might of the USA lies.  We can
                       afford such costly mistakes and roll on without
                       losing a beat.
                       \_ Heh.  The Soviet Union made much bigger mistakes
                          during WWII than some tanks sinking, but they
                          "rolled on without losing a beat" for quite some
                          time afterward due mostly to sheer numbers.
           \_ Bullets are *much* faster than spears and arrows.  For a shield
              of metal to stop a bullet, it either must be very thick or
              very sloped to deflect the bullet.  A highly sloped shield would
              have to be very large to cover a man, and so would be unwieldly
              to carry.  A thick shield would be far too heavy if it was of any
              decent size.
        \_ awsome site: http://www.panzerfaust.com/mp3s
                \_ You know, I don't pity people like this, I just laugh
                   at them.  How pathetic.  -John
                \_ Heil! Long live und Vaterlande!
          \_ This is pretty good too, authentic SS recordings:
             http://www.worldmilitaria.com/newsite/media.html
        \_ The Allied forces were expected far to the northeast, where the
           English channel was narrowest.  Instead, they landed at Normandy.
        \_ The whole "if the two SS panzer divisions had been closer" fact
           is why D-Day was an amazing military victory that we still
           celebrate, unlike say, the Palermo crossings into Italy, which
           were a turkey shoot. The 82nd and 101st's main job was to
           delay by a day or two the arrival of the Panzers on the beach
           front. They succeeded, but at casualty rates approaching 50%.
           Also, a massive disinformation campaign was mounted to
           convince the Germans we were going to land a Pas De Calais,
           which they bit on. So it was a pretty amazing victory all
           the way around.
        \_ Double agents misinformed Germans.  The misinformation campaign
           by the allies worked.  Some general didn't want to wake up
           Hitler either.  The german panzer reserves were only to be
           released by Hitler.
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Higgins boat landing at D-day First Wave at Omaha Beach When he was promoted to officer rank at eighteen, S L A MARSHALL was the youngest shavetail in the United States Army during World War I He rejoined the Army in 1942, became a combat historian with the rank of colonel; and the notes he made at the time of the Normandy landing are the source of this heroic reminder. Readers will remember his frank and ennobling book about Korea, THE RIVER AND THE GAUNTLET, which was the result of still a third tour of duty. by SLA Marshall UNLIKE what happens to other great battles, the passing of the years and the retelling of the story have softened the horror of Omaha Beach on D Day. This fluke of history is doubly ironic since no other decisive battle has ever been so thoroughly reported for the official record. While the troops were still fighting in Normandy, what had happened to each unit in the landing had become known through the eyewitness testimony of all survivors. It was this research by the field historians which first determined where each company had hit the beach and by what route it had moved inland. Owing to the fact that every unit save one had been mislanded, it took this work to show the troops where they had fought. How they fought and what they suffered were also determined in detail during the field research. As published today, the map data showing where the troops came ashore check exactly with the work done in the field; but the accompanying narrative describing their ordeal is a sanitized version of the original field notes. This happened because the Army historians who wrote the first official book about Omaha Beach, basing it on the field notes, did a calculated job of sifting and weighting the material. it was their duty to trace the twists and turns of fortune by which success was won. But to follow that rule slights the story of Omaha as an epic human tragedy which in the early hours bordered on total disaster. On this two-division front landing, only six rifle companies were relatively effective as units. They did better than others mainly because they had the luck to touch down on a less deadly section of the beach. Three times that number were shattered or foundered before they could start to fight. Several contributed not a man or bullet to the battle for the high ground. But their ordeal has gone unmarked because its detail was largely ignored by history in the first place. The worst-fated companies were overlooked, the more wretched personal experiences were toned down, and disproportionate attention was paid to the little element of courageous success in a situation which was largely characterized by tragic failure. The official accounts which came later took their cue from this secondary source instead of searching the original documents. Even such an otherwise splendid and popular book on the great adventure as Cornelius Ryan's The Longest Day misses the essence of the Omaha story. In everything that has been written about Omaha until now, there is less blood and iron than in the original field notes covering any battalion landing in the first wave. Then let's follow along with Able and Baker companies, 116th Infantry, 29th Division. Their story is lifted from my fading Normandy notebook, which covers the landing of every Omaha company. ABLE Company riding the tide in seven Higgins boats is still five thousand yards from the beach when first taken under artillery fire. Second Lieutenant Edward Gearing and twenty others paddle around until picked up by naval craft, thereby missing the fight at the shore line. The other six boats ride unscathed to within one hundred yards of the shore, where a shell into Boat No. Another dozen drown, taking to the water as the boat sinks. His men are at the sides of the boat, straining for a view of the target. At exactly 6:36 AM ramps are dropped along the boat line and the men jump off in water anywhere from waist deep to higher than a man's head. This is the signal awaited by the Germans atop the bluff. Already pounded by mortars, the floundering line is instantly swept by crossing machine-gun fires from both ends of the beach. Able Company has planned to wade ashore in three files from each boat, center file going first, then flank files peeling off to right and left. The first men out try to do it but are ripped apart before they can make five yards. Even the lightly wounded die by drowning, doomed by the waterlogging of their overloaded packs. Ten or so survivors get around the boat and clutch at its sides in an attempt to stay afloat. All order has vanished from Able Company before it has fired a shot. Even among some of the lightly wounded who jumped into shallow water the hits prove fatal. Knocked down by a bullet in the arm or weakened by fear and shock, they are unable to rise again and are drowned by the onrushing tide. Other wounded men drag themselves ashore and, on finding the sands, lie quiet from total exhaustion, only to be overtaken and killed by the water. A few move safely through the bullet swarm to the beach, then find that they cannot hold there. Faces turned upward, so that their nostrils are out of water, they creep toward the land at the same rate as the tide. The less rugged or less clever seek the cover of enemy obstacles moored along the upper half of the beach and are knocked off by machine-gun fire. Within seven minutes after the ramps drop, Able Company is inert and leaderless. He staggers onto the sand and flops down ten feet from Private First Class Leo J Nash. Nash sees the blood spurting and hears the strangled words gasped by Tidrick: "Advance with the wire cutters!" To give the order, Tidrick has raised himself up on his hands and made himself a target for an instant. Nash, burrowing into the sand, sees machine gun bullets rip Tidrick from crown to pelvis. From the cliff above, the German gunners are shooting into the survivors as from a roof top. Captain Taylor N Fellers and Lieutenant Benjamin R Kearfoot never make it. They had loaded with a section of thirty men in Boat No. But exactly what happened to this boat and its human cargo was never to be known. Half of the drowned bodies were later found along the beach. Along the beach, only one Able Company officer still lives -- Lieutenant Elijah Nance, who is hit in the heel as he quits the boat and hit in the belly by a second bullet as he makes the sand. By the end of ten minutes, every sergeant is either dead or wounded. To the eyes of such men as Private Howard I Grosser and Private First Class Gilbert G Murdock, this clean sweep suggests that the Germans on the high ground have spotted all leaders and concentrated fire their way. Among the men who are still moving in with the tide, rifles, packs, and helmets have already been cast away in the interests of survival. To the right of where Tidrick's boat is drifting with the tide, its coxswain lying dead next to the shell-shattered wheel, the seventh craft, carrying a medical section with one officer and sixteen men, noses toward the beach. In that instant, two machine guns concentrate their fire on the opening. By the end of fifteen minutes, Able Company has still not fired a weapon. The few able-bodied survivors move or not as they see fit. The fight has become a rescue operation in which nothing counts but the force of a strong example. Above all others stands out the first-aid man, Thomas Breedin. 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