Berkeley CSUA MOTD:Entry 30581
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2021/12/03 [General] UID:1000 Activity:popular

2004/6/3-4 [Recreation/Dating, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:30581 Activity:high
        "The good men are all married," writer Junko Sakai says. "Those left
        behind are all nerds or without jobs or violent or not nice-looking."
        \_ (I rest my case.)
        \_ that's good, at least there's an 'or' between 'nerds' and 'jobs'.
        \_ "She says Japanese men sometimes propose to women with lines like:
            'I want you to cook miso soup for me the rest of my life.'"
           This is a _very_ traditional way to ask a woman to marry you. The
           words themselves are virtually meaningless now.  I was skeptical
           of the article to begin with, but this overt lack of cultural
           context cinches it.
           \_ cool!  I will try that line on the next hot japanese babe I meet.
           \_ So what exactly do you disagree with in the article?
              \_ She misses the point that the good women are all married, too.
                 If you're 30+ and not married, you're not a good prospect for
                 \_ So not only are the leftover men not good prospects, but
                    the leftover women aren't either?
                    \_ Correct.  All the leftovers get to live angst ridden
                       lives like Sex in the City and suffer one bad attempt
                       at having a relationship after another because they're
                       undeserving of anything better and wouldn't know it if
                       they had better anyway.  That's what makes them left-
                       overs and poor prospects.  It's self-fulfilling.
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Page 15A No sex please -- we're Japanese By Paul Wiseman USA TODAY To an astonishing degree, the sexes are going their opposite ways in Japan. Young women are revolting against the traditional role of obedient housewife, opting instead to live at home and shop and socialize with girlfriends. Check-ins at the country's famed 'love hotels' are even falling. TOKYO -- Junko Sakai was nervously looking forward to a romantic getaway with the man she'd been seeing. But when they arrived at a seaside hotel last fall, her beau requested separate rooms. Stunned, Sakai nonetheless anticipated a late-night knock on the door. Nothing is happening with depressing regularity between Japanese men and women these days. Marriages, births and hanky-panky are all spiraling downward with troubling implications for the nation's future: A sagging birthrate means that fewer working-age people will be around to support a growing population of elderly; And so, to an astonishing degree, men and women go their separate ways -- the women to designer boutiques and chic restaurants with their girlfriends or moms, the men to karaoke clubs with their colleagues from work or the solitude of their computer screens to romance hassle-free virtual women. Better educated, more widely traveled and raised in more affluence than their mothers, young women no longer feel bound by the Japanese tradition that says a woman unmarried after age 25 is like a Christmas cake on Dec. Men, meanwhile, seem intimidated and bewildered by assertive young women who are nothing like their moms. As a result of the disconnect between genders, Japan, just emerging from a long economic slump, is experiencing a social recession in: * Marriage. Japanese are postponing marriage or avoiding it altogether. Weddings dropped last year for the second straight year. About half of single Japanese women ages 35 to 54 have no intention to marry, according to a survey in January by the Japan Institute of Life Insurance. Just 11 million babies were born in Japan last year, the third straight decline. The average Japanese couple now produces just 132 children, well below the minimum 208 needed to compensate for deaths. As a result of plummeting birth rates, Japan's population is expected to peak in 2006, and then decline rapidly. In a 2001 survey, condom maker Durex found that Japan ranked dead last among 28 countries in the frequency of sex: The average Japanese had sex just 36 times a year. What's more, an increasing number of those visiting love hotels aren't there for romance, AERA says; they've found that love hotels offer the cheapest access to karaoke machines and video games. Over tea in the sunlit lobby of the Akasaka Prince Hotel near the Imperial Palace in downtown Tokyo, and later over soba noodles and chicken yakatori at a nearby restaurant, Japanese writer and television personality Yoko Haruka describes the shortcomings of love and marriage Japanese-style. The husband works long hours and carouses into the night with his pals from work. The wife is expected to stay home, clean house and take care of kids. In fact, Japan's divorce rate rose steadily to 23 divorces for every 1,000 people in 2002 from 13 in 1990; it appears to have dropped a bit last year, partly because fewer people have been getting married. He has fashionably wavy hair and a good job with an advertising agency in Tokyo. Rather than risk rejection or summon the energy to maintain a modern relationship, many Japanese men simply pay for affection in the country's ubiquitous hostess bars and brothels. 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