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2004/6/3 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:30576 Activity:high
6/3     This is pretty cool, I especially like the 2nd guy's answer.  No
        foreigners!
        http://www.japantoday.com/e/?content=popvox&id=484
        Oh yeah, and from the same page, but creepy as only Japan can be.
        http://www.japantoday.com/e/?content=popvox&id=485
        \_ No wonder so many gaijin flock to Japan to teach English.
           \_ What's truly sad is that Christopher Goto almost certainly has
              a girlfriend.
              \_ Who?
                 \_ Obviously you didn't open the link.
                    \_ I POSTED the link.  I just didn't pay that much
                       attention tothe fat guy's name.
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Aiko Ota, 23 "It frightens me to learn those alleged al-Qaida terrorist members were hiding in Japan and might have been trying to bomb us. I no longer want to support the US if it means these people will come to Japan. From now on, I'm going to be careful going to places where many people gather like here in Shibuya or Shinjuku." Hiroshi Hirata, 28 "They must have been here either to collect information on the US military or to prepare for an attack somewhere in Japan. I heard they had an office in front of the US base in Yokosuka. However, it is impossible for us to remove the US bases from Japan. Considering our war-renouncing constitution and our economic situation, we definitely need the US If having a US presence draws trouble, we should reinforce the police. I don't think we need a secret police, but at least we should establish something like the CIA. Also, we better monitor foreigners in Japan once in a while rather than just trying to reinforce airport immigration controls. The authorities must check foreigners' actual lifestyles in Japan instead. These days, many foreigners are being busted, but my impression of them has never changed: they have a different way of thinking, love to make excuses and are illogical." Aya Matsushita, 26 "They tried to infiltrate our society and get as much information as they could. They must have especially wanted to find out the best place to place a bomb. I suppose it must be a big station like Shibuya or Shinjuku. I think we've got enough trouble from backing America by now, so we should quit soon." Masanori Sugisaki, 18 "What a gift we've got from cooperating with America. I've heard that they were planning some sort of attack in Japan within a few months, but I think that's pretty ridiculous. Although an obvious American target would be Tokyo Disneyland, I think that if there is an attack, they will go for somewhere like Shibuya and the Diet rather than a place where innocent kids enjoy themselves. It is sad that those terrorists are degrading the impression of their nation. When I went to China for a vacation, I saw many good people there. I always remember that there are good and bad people out there. Nao Kishimoto, 28 "This is not a realistic issue to talk about, but let me guess. I think they wanted to attack us because we support Bush. I don't say we should close the US bases in Japan, but if it will get al-Qaida off our backs, I would like Japan to stop its support for President Bush and ask him to understand that." Masaru Gunji, 18 "The presence of those al-Qaida members does not surprise me at all. I think they were planning as big a terrorist attack as the World Trade Center in order to damage the Japanese economy. The target must have been a big firm like Toyota or an electric power plant. It is OK that more foreigners are coming to Japan, but I want the government to regulate immigration harder." Yuichi Hata, 20 "I'm not sure exactly what they were doing here in Japan besides some kind of terrorist activity. They wanted to attack somewhere in the Kanto region, right? This is not directly related to my life, so I am not scared of them nor do I have any interest in this issue." Katsunori Takada, 21 "Since the terrorists who flew the planes into the World Trade Center had been in the US for awhile before 9-11 and were playing around, I think those five al-Qaida members caught in yesterday were playing around in the red light district. I suppose they had plenty of funds, so it is not an impossible thing. Since many foreigners are here in Japan for tourism, business and study, and many of them have been arrested for various crimes lately, I cannot distinguish who is good or bad. Click here to see all messages by gucci (May 31 2004 - 12:28) 7stars is right in a way. What these people are say about foreigners is no more or less sensible than what most of the stuff on JT written about Japanese. Japanese discriminate against foreigners, this is a fact. "Gaijin" chafe at this treatment because for most, this is the first time they have been on the receiving end. As for Japanese being complacent about the threat of terrorism, I think they are pretty blase about risks like this. Afterall about 100 million people living on a major earthquke fault line, can't be too paranoid can they? Click here to see all messages by Dom (May 31 2004 - 13:56) I would generally agree with you sevenstars-- i was only stating a fact when i said that about the comments of the interviewed japanese-- they have every right to say what they think about all the forigners in their home country-- and its pathetic and childish to take offense because the comments are perfectly reasonable-- and your right about the expat communities in japan, as it is the same all over asia-- usally people who cant hack it in their own country-- though thats not the case with every one. Click here to see all messages by frontandcentre (May 31 2004 - 14:11) Why Japanese think many gaijin are "illogical" - that's a natural perception when you have an entirely different system of 'logic'. distrustful of foreigners and to value their 'unique' identity. Don't agree with what Hirata-san says, but can understand why some people think that way. People in the West are also acting in a racist or xenophobic way towards Muslims, often citizens of their own countries, quite unjustifiably. That's a side effect of this whole war on terror that everyone should be concerned about - otherwise we fuel the passions those on these boards who think that 'nuking' millions of innocent people in the Middle East would be a good idea. Politicians, idealogues and fanatics think they run the world - and thankfully 99% of the world's population just shrugs and carries on. Click here to see all messages by gomi (May 31 2004 - 23:08) Perhaps you fail to realize that what you are describing is the opportunist; Marco Polo didn't go to China because he was drawn by the culture. However, you disingenuously fail to mention the benefit - unintended, perhaps; tangible, without a doubt - of such an ebb and flow of different peoples. Simply because it rankles your idealism is not reason enough to deny its existence. Click here to see all messages by cleo (Jun 2 2004 - 15:46) "Funny how I never saw any airplanes flying into buildings in Europe." There you go again, taking your own limited experience and using it to define the wider world. You really think terrorism is only "Terrorism" (and those are your own inverted commas and your own capital T, everything has to be bigger, I suppose) when it involves aeroplanes and tall buildings? Try walking around a major city not knowing when the nearest postbox or rubbish bin or car is going to explode. Try being woken up one morning by an almighty great bang and looking out of your window to see a huge chunk has been taken out of the PO Tower a couple of streets away. It may not be aeroplanes, but it can be pretty terrifying all the same. Oh and yes, we had aeroplanes falling out of the sky over a little Scottish village. Americans were among those who died in that attack thanks to Libya but we don't talk about it any more because Khadaffi is now a Good and Wise Leader Who Has Renounced Weapons of Mass Destruction. But of course, there was never any REAL terrorism in the world until the US was attacked at home. Click here to see all messages by hog (Jun 2 2004 - 16:35) "Try walking around a major city not knowing when the nearest postbox or rubbish bin or car is going to explode. Try being woken up one morning by an almighty great bang and looking out of your window to see a huge chunk has been taken out of the PO Tower a couple of streets away." Were you there when everybody had a gas mask for when Saddam's chemical weapon filled scuds were headed your way? Click here to see all messages by cleo (Jun 2 2004 - 16:55) No, the PO Tower was London in the 1970's. The postboxes, rubbish bins and cars have been used for decades in cities all over Britain, and mainland Europe has had its share too. And yes, there were times when it was 'trying' - but so are bank robberies, handbag snatchers and common muggers. Maybe the European variety didn'...
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Naoko, 22 "If a teacher tried to go out with an elementary school student or someone younger, that would be a crime. I used to go out with a 31-year-old guy when I was a high school student. I think high school students are able to think like an adult. If a teacher teaches his girlfriend or her boyfriend at school, I think that is still OK. It must be a student's gift from God if he or she can attract a teacher. On the other hand, other students will be worried about unfair treatment from the teacher. When I was a high school student, a friend of mine and her teacher were going out, and it was like that. Everyone else practically stabbed them in the back, but I looked at them as a normal couple." Asako Tokunaga, 21 "If I were a teacher and Yousuke Kubozuka (an actor) or a nice-looking guy was in my class, I would like him to make love to me, but it is just a fantasy. In reality, a teacher should not go out with his or her student. When I was a high school student, a friend of mine was going out with a teacher. Many teachers are not always perfect and students sometimes criticize them. After I heard about my friend's relationship with my teacher, I could not talk about him with her. Also, a teacher is supposed to talk with a student and sometimes give compliments to the student. However, even if a teacher talked to me in a friendly way or paid me a compliment, I would doubt his motive in saying something like that. If a teacher goes out with a student, there will be a weird atmosphere in class. If a student is a university student and old enough to share their thoughts and values as adults do, I would say it is OK. However, I cannot believe a teacher who looks at his or her student as a romantic partner. Sara Okubo, 21 "When I was a high school student, a classmate and my teacher disappeared from school all of a sudden at the same time. That was because she became pregnant with my teacher's baby. I do not remember what people said about them at the time, but I am sure they all said something dirty about them. My objective view is that these things can happen between men and women." Shu Sato, 21 "The rules say that teachers and students must not go out. That applies to elementary school teachers, but at university, there isn't much difference in their ages, so I think they are OK to go out." Junichi Sato, 36 "As a father of a girl and a boy, I do not want that sort of thing to happen at school. If that happened to my beautiful girl, I would cry so hard. If they start going out after graduation or they are from different schools, it is OK because it won't affect the student's grade. However, a teacher-student relationship is bad, bad, bad. Many pretty girls came to the school and many foreign teachers were going out with their students. ECC does not give a serious grade to their students, but it creates a mental demarcation between student and teacher." Christopher Goto, 25 "I don't think there is anything wrong with it whatever the age. Sometimes people complain that students are too young, too inexperienced, know nothing and so on. However, if both parties are willing to go out, then other people should not bother them. The law allows us to marry at age 16 for women and 18 for men, so if teachers and students do not violate this law, then it's no problem. However, the teacher needs to put personal matters aside when he or she is at school and never tease students even in a playful way. Japanese companies often ban office romance, but I don't understand why. They do not pay for employees' private time, so how come they can control it? They just kick ass and do whatever they want with staff." If you fall in love with a special person, you accept that person. If a teacher goes out with his or her student, I suppose the teacher will grade the student better. When a teacher-student relationship gets really serious, they run away somewhere and that causes big trouble. There is the danger that a teacher who has no control over his or her emotions and knows no norm can degrade the school and the student's parents. However, if they behave naturally at school and observe the proper TPO (time, place, occasion), I say a teacher can go out with a mature student. Of course, if I were a university professor, I would like to find a cute boy in my class. However, if a teacher approaches a preschool, elementary or junior high school student, that is a crime. That's anothing thing you see on TV -- teachers who have been sexually harassing or emailing students just like a psycho." If a relationship is going on at university level, that is fine. However, students will definitely worry about the possibility of an unfair grading. If a student is going out with a teacher, he or she should not be in that teacher's class." Click here to see all messages by gucci (Jun 3 2004 - 13:24) another thing that bugs me is when they bust the kiddie porn rings they always catch a load of teachers and priests. Click here to see all messages by Nessie (Jun 3 2004 - 14:02) "another thing that bugs me is when they bust the kiddie porn rings they always catch a load of teachers and priests" Partly it's because it makes for particularly juicy headlines. I suspect this helps to over-represent these groups in the public consciousness as molesters. What do you think about teachers and students having relationships? Click here to see all messages by molecule (Jun 3 2004 - 14:43) I wonder if the students of HS or JHS age who have a sexual relationship with teachers were abused? htm#Risky click on History of sexual abuse increases risky sex in teens "another thing that bugs me is when they bust the kiddie porn rings they always catch a load of teachers and priests" Oh no its not just them and its ruling out a lot of people to think that way. Click here to see all messages by molecule (Jun 3 2004 - 14:59) "People often choose their profession according to their interests." or because they like having food, shelter, and clothing. Child molesters can be in any profession, perverts are not isolated to one group of people. Remember the Japanese economist who was arrested recently for peeking up a gril's skirt in Shinagawa? He had a respectable career, he was well known on tv so one could assume he wasa faily intelligent guy. Teachers having sex with HS and younger students is just wrong. Professional teachers should never get involved with their students, whatever their age - however genuine the attraction may turn out to be, it is an abuse of one's position to date a student, as you are assuming a degree of responsibility for that person in teaching them. If you want to date your students, find a way to get them in another class or a different school. I don't blame these English schools for banning student-teacher relationships: you take your money, you accept your responsibility. Click here to see all messages by canuck (Jun 3 2004 - 20:07) ... but colleges and universities here are like the schools. you pay, you show up sometimes, you pass on schedule, with all the others, like you, the teacher, your parents, friends and everyone else always knew you would. it really bothers me that these subjects generally believe that it is actually better if a university professor is dating a student Asako: "If a student is a university student and old enough to share their thoughts and values as adults do, I would say it is OK." but at university, there isn't much difference in their ages, so I think they are OK to go out" Shinzen: "If a relationship is going on at university level, that is fine." If you altered the dynamic of the question, I think the answers might be quite different. If it was a 16 year old boy and a 34 year old female teacher, I think there would be a different opinion. Or better yet, a 16 year old boy and a 60 year old male professor, I could just imagine how those who favored perhaps a female high school student male professor dynamic would spend their time highlighting what a disgusting predator the woman teacher dating the HS boy or the old teacher dating a HS boy were. My thought: Teachers shouldn't date their students, period. Not even those putting on the pretense of teac...