Berkeley CSUA MOTD:Entry 30512
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2004/5/31-6/1 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:30512 Activity:very high
5/31    Does soad have more than its fair share of haters or does an
        anonymous motd just make it seem so?
        \_ People revert to pretty juvenile behavior when anonymous.  So
           what?  That's life.
        \_ I don't see any hate thread today. Can you be more specific?
            \_ not talking particularly about today, just in general.
        \_ No, people are just people.  Anonymity allows people to say what
           they were already thinking.  Suppression of speech, Berkeley-style,
           does not suppress thought.
           \_ signing your name wouldn't suppress your speech--just make you
              responsible for it.  -tom
              \_ when the cost of that responsibility is too high, it becomes
                 suppression.  one has the right to say all sorts of things but
                 if one's name was attached to them a lot of things one has the
                 right to say can still destroy a career, get one arrested or
                 a bunch of other bad things.  when the burden of
                 responsibility for speech rises to the point where it can ruin
                 the speaker's life, speech is no longer free.  as someone who
                 has nothing to lose you wouldn't understand that.
                 \_ That's pretty sad.  If you are that fearful of what you
                    say, why bother saying it?  That's not external supression.
                    That's introspection.  I've never said anything publicly
                    that I wouldn't own up to.  Keep a diary if you're that
                    worried.  --scotsman
           \_ Or supression of speech, Catholic Church style, or Miss Manners
              style or however.
              \_ Miss Manners?  Do you ever read her column?  She doesn't say
                 you shouldn't say what you're thinking.  She says you should
                 say it in such a way as to leave the other person with no
                 response (thus preventing escalation) yet without making
                 yourself look like a barbarian.  The Catholic Church hasn't
                 been able to shut anyone up since Luther.  I don't know why
                 you're picking on them.  They've had their day.
                 \_ You have successfully read 100% the opposite of what
                    I intended into what I said. I think I was clear enough.
                    It is your thinking that is muddled. The suppression
                    of speech Miss Manners style does not suppress thought. Is
                    that really too complicated a concept for you?
              \_ everyone suppresses speech to an extent from rush limbaugh
                 to the aclu.. from george w. bush to osama bin laden..
                 \_ I see you agree with me.
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