5/27    For that $70k coder who was going to ask for a raise.  Did you do it?
        how did it go?
        \_ got outsourced!
          \_LOL, you sob!
        \_ did it, but review is delayed until end of 4th quarter.
          put my resume out and got quite a few responses so far
          sticking at job until i find something, they will counter
          offer only when I will leave, not giving notice because
          they fire tons of people without notice.
          \_ yep look around, lots of oppertunities out there now.  I also went
          and talked to my VP of Eng, it is delayed until mid next month.  I
          think I'll put my resume out as well because if he's sincere, he
          should at least give me a good faith offer.
          \_ You should give notice but not until you find a new job.  Why
             would you let them know you were looking before you actually got
             a new job?  My God, are Cal people really this unprepared for
             life in the real world?  Cal needs a class on how to get by in
             the real world.  Notice means, "I already have a new job, I'm not
             interested in your counter offer, I hate your guts but I'm giving
             you two worthless weeks of slacking and short hours so you can't
             ruin my good name by saying I walked out with no notice".
             \_ hahah, I like that. better yet, just give a day notice because
                I ain't coming back. when I got laid off, I didn't get two
                weeks of pay. it sucks to be the last one to be laid off.
                people got laid off during the first round got six month of
                paid. Even the guy that was fired also got some severance. in
                the real world, you'll just know how to whine and complain to
                the the money. :)
                \_ No matter how your job sucks, exercise noblesse oblige and
                                                          \-you have an odd
                                                            notion of noblesse
                                                            oblige --psb, exer-
                                                            cising dictionary
                                                            oblige
                   don't burn bridges.  Word gets around, and the world is
                   small--and even if 9/10 of your colleagues are shit, you
                   may find yourself working with the tenth someday, and want
                   to leave him with a good impression.  Just give notice,
                   smile, say thank you, and leave.  -John
             \_ Maybe he actually wanted to stay at the current job as long as
                his pay is raised.  So he threatened to leave by giving the
                notice that he's looking for a job elsewhere.
                \_ Good managers know that once someone gives notice they're
                   gone.  A raise granted under those conditions won't keep
                   the employee around for more than 6 months.  If he wants a
                   raise he should ask for a raise and then when he doesn't
                   get one they have no reason to waste his time with a fake
                   counter.  There's also the risk that they'll give him the
                   raise he wants and then replace his ass 3 weeks later since
                   they know he's going to quit in 6 months anyway *and* that
                   other job is now gone so he's fucked.  Get new job, quit
                   old job, move on like a professional, forget about them.
             \_ I didnt tell them I am looking. i told them I'll wait
                for the review to come. In the meantime I will look for
                a job and when I do find one, leave without 2 weeks
                notice.
                \_ Give the 2 weeks.  I just quit the worst job I ever had but
                   I gave the 2 weeks.  I slacked off, got paid for it, and
                   they can't tell their manager buddies in other companies
                   that I walked without notice.  It's a very small industry.
                   Do yourself a favor.  No matter how much you hate them,
                   give the two weeks.  Slack off, come in late, leave early,
                   take long lunches, accomplish nothing, but get those two
                   weeks officially on the books.
                   \_ will do, going fishing during lunch
                      \_ As long as you were officially there on the books and
                         didn't walk out in a no-notice huff, fishing, fucking,
                         or anything else during your 3 hour lunch is the way
                         to go.
                   \_ If the alternative is doing violence to your boss,
                      walk out in a huff. Better to be known as someone
                      who quits without giving notice that someone who
                      assaults his supervisors.
                      \_ How about, returning to your desk calmly, writing
                         a two-weeks-notice letter, and giving that to him
                         the next day?
                         \_ That would be too mature a response for some motd
                            people.  ;-)  I agree with you in concept but I
                            still think there's no reason to walk in a huff.
                            If things are *that* bad you have a lawsuit.
                            \_ Yeah, but you *really* don't want to get
                               a reputation as a guy who sues his employer.
                               \_ Nope, take the two weeks and walk.