5/27    New evidence of a link between Iraq and al Qaeda.
        http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110005133
        \_ Mommy, why does the WSJ want me to reigister?
           \_ csuamotd@csua.berkeley.edu
        \_ As if the WSJ editorial page had any fucking credibility.
           \_ Thank you.
           \_ Funny, I find that nothing that disagrees with me has any
              credibility either.
              \_ The WSJ has really gone downhill since Jan or so. Remember
                 the whole Kerry intern disinformation campaign? WSJ was
                 part of it. In general, they have become very partisan.
                 Read The Economist if you want pro Free Market opinions
                 without the Republican Party slant.
                 \_ Yeah.  Anyone remember Vince Foster's suicide note?
                 \_ Kerry was fucking some hot chick.  Nothing wrong with that.
                    He has a life long history of womanizing.  It didn't hurt
                    Clinton any.  Women voted for him in droves.  Kerry should
                    revel in it.  It makes him much more human than his endless
                    drumbeat about his very short Vietnam stay and his endless
                    speachifying.  It isn't disinformation if it's true.  I
                    think it can only help his campaign.
                 \_ Is there any way to get the LA or NY Times w/o the
                    democaratic party slant?
                    \_ Easy: Don't just read the LA/NY Times.  Try BBC, CBC,
                       and some of the east Asian online mags.
                       \_ East asian magizines?  The Korean newspapers I
                          read have plenty of party slant... -jrleek
                    \_ Not really.  Read lots of stuff, read between lines.
                       Apply brain.  Most importantly look for what they
                       *don't* say because that's where they hide their a lot
                       of their bias.  For example, are we still losing 2-5
                       soldiers per day in Iraq?  Is the power and water
                       situation stable?  Are kids going to school?  Are people
                       eating?  How many people there are looking forward to
                       their first real vote in their entire lives?  How many
                       of Sadr's men were killed by anti-Sadr Iraqis?  If
                       Sadr and friends have 10,000 people total, doesn't that
                       mean there are still ~26 million others who haven't
                       taken up arms against us?  Why hasn't the Shia/Sunni
                       war broken out?  Why haven't the Kurds broken away from
                       Turkey?  Why does nothing good ever seem to get reported
                       about anything going on in Iraq?  Is it true that there
                       is nothing at all good happening there?  If it bleeds,
                       it leads.  Welcome to American 'journalism'.
                       \_ Americans want news about how we'll be leaving
                          a nice democracy in Iraq, and no more American
                          deaths.  Americans also want to hear any news about
                          why this won't be coming soon.
                    \_ Christian Science Monitor is a great source, without
                       any discernable partisanship. There is probably no
                       replacement for the Washington Post, alas. The Week
                       is good if you only have time to spend two hrs/week
                       on news. Yeah, if you have time, read everything and
                       make up your own mind, but I don't have time for that.
                       \_ The CSM?  It's run by evil Xtians!  And the WAPO is
                          run by the Moonies!
                          \_ No, the washington post is a decent paper. The
                             washington times is run by the moonies, and it's
                             a total rag.
        \_ If Bush or Condi say something about it, maybe I'll start paying
           attention.  In the mean time, it's just Republican catnip.
           \_ Catnip?  Yes, all registered (R)'s get a free subscription to
              the WSJ.  It's a better written paper than the NYT which has a
              rather poor track record for clean reporting these last few
              years and those are just the ones we know about.
              \_ (1) "The New York Times publicly took itself to task for its
                 pre-Iraq war coverage, admitting it was taken in by spurious
                 information from Iraqi exiles with their own agenda to oust
                 Saddam Hussein." - May 26
                 (2) The WSJ published the name of a juror in the trial
                 against the Tyco exec.  I've read about WSJ's excuse.
                 (3) Republican catnip.  Circumstantial evidence is what
                 circumstantial does.  Look what it did to Bush.  The
                 weight of credibility lies on him now.  I'm going to wait
                 for him to support the next claim, since everyone is now
                 watching him carefully, since he has no one left to blame
                 (already blamed the CIA, already blamed Chalabi, who's left?).
                 \_ Is this that whole thing from the wall about repeating the
                    "American credibility is destroyed for generations!" until
                    it becomes 'truth' Soviet style?  You need to be more
                                        \_^Soviet^Bush
                    consistent if you're going to put over the Big Lie on
                    everyone.  You don't post that crap nearly enough to get
                    the rest of your audience repeating it.
                    \_ Do you have any idea how bad the image of America is
                       overseas right now? Do you ever leave the country?
                       Read polls? I dunno about the generations bit, but
                       Bush has destroyed American credibility overseas.
                       \_ Given that America is as powerful as the next 20
                          countries put together, perhaps a better question is,
                          what credibility do the overseas have with us?
                          \_ Wow, talk about missing the point.
                       \_ Nuke the rest of the world and we won't have any
                          credibility problems.  Fuck the foreigners!
                    \_ Alas, no, I am not the person who posted about
                       credibility earlier.  I am still waiting for you to
                       dispute my points.