5/26    Thanks for those who responded to my salary question yesterday and
        thanks to KAIS MOTD (csua.com/) for
        keeping the responses even though they got pushed off the motd. -emin
        \_ shut the fuck up, kchang
                \_ why do you hate kchang?
                        \_ Be psb asian lila, and immigrants god to boot.
                   \_ because he's fucking annoying.
                        \_ lots of people are annoying.  is that all it takes
                           for you to hate them?  buckle up, kid, life is going
                           to really suck for you.
        \_ wow, all the motd archives do the same thing.
                \_ they're all indexed and searcheable? amazing!
                   \_ stop treating "kais motd" like it's the best thing
                      since sliced bread.  less finds me what I want out of
                      the motd rcs files.
                        \_ dude, CHILL! It's not another editor/browser
                           piss off match. I'll use my favorite program
                           and you'll use yours and let's just leave it at
                           that.
                           \_ then stop the shameless self-promotion
                                \_ I didn't write it            -kchang
                                   \_ then I apologize.  then stop the stupid
                                      advertising then.
                                      \_ kchang was not logged in when that
                                         was posted.
        \_ kchang might be a major twink, but damn, i'm pretty impressed with
           his motd archive. it's hierarchical and so the guy who talks about
           "less + rcs works for me" seems like the year is 1995 and someone is
           hating on Yahoo. "gopher RULEZ!"
        \_ Where is this socalled salary question? I can't find it on kchang's
           website.
        \_ damn you kchang lover, you are as guilty as him by association!
          \_ I hate jealous people.  they don't have much and yet they demand
             some kinda recognition.  kchang did a good job, people praise him
             why don't you show some real work first if you want to be praised.
        \_ someone on that threat mentioned charging no less than $100/hr for
           a real IT work.  How much would one charge for a real programming
           work? (c/c++, java, c#)  On http://salary.com, the median for a software
           engineer III is 87k
           \_ If hourly wage = annual salary / 2000, and contract rate =
              2x salaried rate, then $87/hr.
              \_ For a median-quality  job.
                 \_ Bingo!  No one wants a medium quality contractor, do they?
                    So they need to be willing to pay more to get the job done
                    right.  That's why I said $100/hr at an absolute minimum
                    for any skilled tech work, SA, programming, dba, etc.
        \_ emin, this is the Xth time I've tried to delete this message but
           you keep putting it back. Why do you insist on trolling and why
           are you supporting kchang?             -coalition against kchang
           \_ we support kchang too, and will help emin in this endeavor.
                                        - axis of evil kchang supporters
           \_ Tom and Kchang are both putzes, but at least kchang is a
              good programmer.
              \_ Tom knows everything about Linux, biking, IT, Programming,
                 Globabl Warming, US Politics, Foreign Affairs, US & World
                 History, and every other topic that has ever shown up on the
                 wall or motd.  You can ask Tom anything.  He always has the
                 right answer!  --tom #1 Fan