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| 2004/5/22-23 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:30366 Activity:insanely high |
5/22 It wasn't a wedding and no dead children. Better luck next time.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/22/iraq.main/index.html
\_ OK, if the coalition says so.
\_ You prefer Al Jazeera's word on it? Okey dokey!
\_ I am sorry, but reporters from NPR said that plenty of women and
children were among the dead. the reporter visited the nearlest
hospital got the number from the doctors and nurses.
\_ Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt: "Bad people have parties too."
\_ NPR? Got his info from the local yokels? People who live on
the border who see hundreds of foreign terrorists coming through
and are more likely to be executed as collaborators for telling
the truth than for telling some NPR flunky a lie? People who
are probably in the same tribe as the terrorists who ran the
terrorist station that got blown up? Get serious. He was in
the hosipital and didn't even count bodies, just asked someone.
This is incredibly weak.
\_ Even if it's true, lots of people believed it, because Bush
has destroyed American credibility for a generation. How many
will die because of his disregard for human dignity?
\_ Actually completely the opposite. Bush has restored
American credibility. If anyone thinks about standing in
America's way, he'd better postpone his wedding indefinitely.
\_ Nonsense. That's the same crap you were spouting on the wall
the other day as if repetition = truth, Stalinist style. How
much credibility did GWB have with you at *any* point in his
life? None. So it doesn't matter what he has said and done,
you have always thought of him as "BushCO" and his actions and
words in any direction make no difference to you regarding his
credibility, now, in the past or the future. Your bit at the
end about human dignity is really funny. Is that how you got
so many #1 fans?
\- er, i didnt write the above. while i do read the NYker,
i would not use a comma before "because". anyway, part
of the reason i am so angry about this, is i accepted
much of the WMD analysis and spent some time defending
the "eventual aquisition of nuclear weapons" analysis
based on the ladder of escalation. See e.g. my wall of:
Boredcast Message from 'psb': Fri Jan 17 17:10:51 2003
\-which i have moved to:
/home/sequent/psb/MOTD/preGulfWar.commentarii
\_ It's really disturbing that partha gave it more thought
than bushco.
\_ Wow, you were there when the admin was meeting with
partha about this stuff? You rock!
\_ Yeah... partha for president. w00t!
\- when i am president, saying "woot" wont be covered
by the 1st amd. --psb
\- i accidentally mailed it to http://whitehouse.com instead
of .gov --psb
\_ Get any quality porn in response?
\_ FYI, Kimmit said U.S. soldiers had seen no dead children at the
site. That's because they were all driven to Ramadi. Kimmit
notes that is where they filmed the dead children's bodies.
Now before you go on with a theory about insurgents digging up
children's bodies and splashing pig's blood on them or asking
them to sacrifice their lives for Allah, please think before you
write. Children were very likely killed in the attack. Kimmit's
strongest argument, if it really was a high-level meeting of
anti-coaliation forces, is "Bad people have parties too" at which
there were women and children.
\_ How the hell do you know? This is exactly how Jenin played
out - remember that one? The military does not willy nilly
attack with Cobra gun ships and AC-130s in the middle of
the night. Sites are scoped for several days if not weeks
and targetting has to be approved up the chain of command.
An official has said as much about this incident as well.
Why the 2 million dinar, sat com equipment, foreign
passports and weapons caches at a wedding?
\_ "were very likely" "were driven to Ramadi" is speculative
noise, at best. How do you explain the barracks for 300, the
hundreds of pre-bundled Iraqi clothing piles so foreigners can
blend in with local styles, and all the rest? Hey, maybe there
were dead children. Maybe it really was a wedding. It was
still a terrorist site for moving in foreign terrorists and it
was appropriate to blow it up and kill whoever was there. If it
was Osama's wedding and women and children got killed would you
cry over that? And frankly I don't understand the problem with
killing women and children since we've seen plenty of both who
are doing their best to kill just like the men. When you pick
up a gun, wear a bomb belt or fire from a holy site you, the
place you're standing and everyone around you become legit
targets. This isn't a video game or a mother goose story. |
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| www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/22/iraq.main/index.html WORLD US kills 16 insurgents in Kufa Coalition: No evidence of wedding at strike site in desert Image An Iraqi militiaman takes up a position Friday in the center of Najaf. VIDEO More photos and a video clip have surfaced showing Iraqi prisoner abuse. KUFA, Iraq (CNN) -- US soldiers killed 16 suspected insurgents early Sunday and found a large cache of weapons at a mosque during an operation in the city of Kufa, a stronghold of radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr and his Mehdi Army militia, military officials said. Preceded by a heavy artillery barrage, more than 20 tanks, armored personnel carriers and about 600 troops entered the darkened city in south-central Iraq after leaving their base in nearby Najaf late Saturday. CNN's Jane Arraf, reporting from an armored personnel carrier of the 2nd Battalion, 37th Armor Regiment, described the sound of the vehicles rolling through the streets as "intimidating." By the time the soldiers reached al-Salam mosque, however, the only sounds of firing were south of the city. Officials said the operation was not aimed at capturing al-Sadr but at denying the Mehdi Army a safe haven in Kufa. Four suspected insurgents were killed on the grounds of the mosque and the others were killed outside the walls, officials said. Aided by Iraqi civil defense forces, troops found AK-47s, rocket-propelled grenades, rocket launchers and more than 2,000 rounds of ammunition, officials said. The soldiers had taken fire from the mosque in previous operations. Soldiers also searched several schools but found nothing. The operation marked the first time US troops had entered Kufa since the insurgency began several weeks ago. Officials said they planned to send in personnel later to explain the operation to residents and to repair any damage to buildings. Another weapons search took place Sunday across the Euphrates River to the east, at a palace that once belonged to deposed Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein. Coalition: Target not a wedding A senior coalition military spokesman said Saturday that dozens of people killed in a US attack in the Iraqi desert early Wednesday were attending a high-level meeting of foreign fighters, not a wedding. Photos shown to reporters in Baghdad support that contention. Mark Kimmitt said six women were among the dead, but he said there was no evidence any children died in the raid near the Syrian border. Coalition officials have said as many as 40 people were killed. Kimmitt said video showing dead children killed was actually recorded in Ramadi, far from the attack scene. "There may have been some kind of celebration," Kimmitt said. Kimmitt said troops did not find anything -- such as a wedding tent, gifts, musical instruments, decorations or leftover food -- that would indicate a wedding had been held. Most of the men there were of military age, and there were no elders present to indicate a family event, he said. What was found, he said, indicated the building was used as a way station for foreign fighters crossing into Iraq from Syria to battle the coalition. "The building seemed to be somewhat of a dormitory," Kimmitt said. You had a tremendous number of pre-packaged clothing -- apparently about a hundred sets of pre-packaged clothing. expected that when foreign fighters come in from other countries, they come to this location, they change their clothes into typical Iraqi clothing sets." At Saturday's briefing for reporters in Baghdad, Kimmitt showed photos of what he said were binoculars designed for adjusting artillery fire, battery packs suitable for makeshift bombs, several terrorist training manuals, medical gear, fake ID cards and ID card-making machines, passports and telephone numbers to other countries, including Afghanistan and Sudan. None of the men killed in the raid carried ID cards or wallets, he said. "We feel that that was an indicator that this was a high risk meeting of high-level anti-coalition forces," Kimmitt said. "There was a tremendous number of incriminating pocket litter, a lot of telephone numbers to foreign countries, Afghanistan, Sudan and a number of others." Blasts rock Baghdad A suicide car bomb exploded Saturday morning outside the Baghdad home of Iraq's deputy interior minister, killing six Iraqis and wounding at least 10 others -- including the minister and his wife -- an Iraqi police official said. The death toll included three Iraqi government bodyguards and a civilian who were outside of Deputy Interior Minister Abdul Jabbar Yousif's home, coalition officials said. Shortly after 8 am (midnight ET) the suicide bomber drove by Yousif's house in the eastern Baghdad neighborhood of Baladiyat and detonated the car as the deputy minister was leaving, police sources said. Yousif and his wife received injuries that were not life threatening, said security officials on the scene. Seven mortar rounds landed north of downtown Baghdad Saturday afternoon, slightly wounding two US soldiers and an Iraqi civilian, Kimmitt said. The soldiers were treated for their injuries and returned to duty, Kimmitt said. Other developments A senior US official confirmed on Friday that the US military operated a secret interrogation facility at or near Baghdad International Airport. US Special Forces participated in running the site, he said. Two other intelligence experts have confirmed the existence of another interrogation facility as well. |
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