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2004/5/20-21 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:30321 Activity:high
5/20    Some ignorant yokel jarhead opens his stupid mouth about Iraq:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2004-05-18-connable_x.htm
        \_ Heh.  This url caption reminds me of the ever tactful Daily Bruin
           article the other day: "Open your eyes, America: the Iraq war is
           a disaster!", which basically was wondering aloud how stupid the
           American people must be to have been buying Bush's story on Iraq
           for so long.  Really makes me see things from their point of view.
             -- ilyas
        \_ "We can and will achieve our goals in Iraq."
           Soldier, when you figure out what those specific goals are (rather
           than the vague "liberation of Iraq"), you let the rest of us know.
           We have faith in your abilities; we do not have faith in those
           who lead you.
           \_ You're just another talking head!
           \_ Maybe the people there have a better idea about whats going on
              than arm chair generals such as yourself?  Probably not.  What
              does an in-field active duty marine veteran know that a brilliant
              young man such as yourself doesn't know better?  You attended Cal
              and ate from the palms of your communist professors.  You know
              how the world works.  Where's that 'vodka glasses into the fire
              with BH' thing when you need it?
              \_ INFIDEL!!! HERETIC!!1! I fondly remember taking 162 from bh.
                 Especially those nights when we'd all gather around the big,
                 silent bulk of the PDP-10 in the machine room, heads bowed to
                 its greatness . . . and bh would pour the vodka, and we'd
                 munch on potstickers and talk for _hours_ about the imminent
                 coming of the Glorious People's GNU-LISP Revolution that
                 would sweep like a cleansing wave!  Some nights we'd watch
                 Animaniacs and listen to the Beatles until dawn.  Then we'd
                 shatter our vodka glasses against the wall and weave our way
                 home, staggering up the middle of Hearst singing Russian
                 peasant drinking songs . . . I didn't learn much about
                 operating systems that year, but damn, I learned about _life_.
                   -- I think this is what you want, hope it helps (original
                      anti-BH poster)
              \_ Actually, I'm a military brat.  I grew up around Marines my
                 entire life.  When a Marine tells you he's going to finish
                 his mission, you'd better believe it-- and you'd better find
                 out what mission he thinks he's supposed to complete before
                 his can-do attitude turns the whole thing into SNAFU.
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www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2004-05-18-connable_x.htm
A Marine sees what defeatists don't By Ben Connable RAMADI, Iraq -- This is my third deployment with the 1st Marine Division to the Middle East. This is the third time I've heard the quavering cries of the talking heads predicting failure and calling for withdrawal. This is the third time I find myself shaking my head in disbelief. Setbacks and tragedy are part and parcel of war and must be accepted on the battlefield. Waiting for war in the Saudi Arabian desert as a young corporal in 1991, I recall reading news clippings portending massive tank battles, fiery death from Saddam Hussein's "flame trenches" and bitter defeat at the hands of the fourth-largest army in the world. Being Marines and, therefore, naturally cocky, we still felt pretty good about our abilities. Crushing the fourth-largest army in the world in four days seemed to crush the doubts back home. Twelve years passed, during which time America was faced with frustrating actions in Somalia and the Balkans. In the spring of last year, I was a Marine captain, back with the division for Operation Iraqi Freedom. As I waited for war in the desert, just 100 miles to the north from our stepping-off point in 1991, I was again subjected to the panicky analyses of talking heads. There weren't enough troops to do the job, the oil fields would be destroyed, we couldn't fight in urban terrain, our offensive would grind to a halt, and we should expect more than 10,000 casualties. Remembering my experience in Desert Storm, I took these assessments with a grain of salt. As a staff officer in the division command post, I was able to follow the larger battle as we moved forward. I knew that our tempo was keeping the enemy on his heels and that our plan would lead us to victory. Mourning our losses quietly, the Marines drove to Baghdad, then to Tikrit, liberating the Iraqi people while losing fewer men than were lost in Desert Storm. In May of last year, I was sitting with some fellow officers back in Diwaniyah, Iraq, the offensive successful and the country liberated from Saddam. I received a copy of a March 30 US newspaper on Iraq in an old package that had finally made its way to the front. The stories: horror in Nasariyah, faltering supply lines and demonstrations in Cairo. The mood of the paper was impenetrably gloomy, and predictions of disaster abounded. The Arab world was about to ignite into a fireball of rage, and the Middle East was on the verge of collapse. If I had read those stories on March 30, I would have had a tough time either restraining my laughter or, conversely, falling into a funk. I was concerned about the bizarre kaleidoscope image of Iraq presented to the American people by writers viewing the world through a soda straw. Returning to Iraq this past February, I knew that the Marines had a tremendous opportunity to follow through on our promises to the Iraqi people. Believing in the mission, many Marines volunteered to return. Just weeks ago, I read that the supply lines were cut, ammunition and food were dwindling, the "Sunni Triangle" was exploding, cleric Muqtada al-Sadr was leading a widespread Shiite revolt, and the country was nearing civil war. As I write this, the supply lines are open, there's plenty of ammunition and food, the Sunni Triangle is back to status quo, and Sadr is marginalized in Najaf. Once again, dire predictions of failure and disaster have been dismissed by American willpower and military professionalism. I don't blame reporters for focusing on the burning vehicles, the mutilated bodies or the personal tragedies. The editors have little choice but to print the photos from the Abu Ghraib prison and the tales of the insurgency in Fallujah. These things sell news and remind us of the sober reality of our commitment to the Iraqi people. The actions of our armed forces are rightfully subject to scrutiny. But as a professional, I have the luxury of putting politics aside and focusing on the task at hand. Protecting people from terrorists and criminals while building schools and lasting friendships is a good mission, no matter what brush it's tarred with. Nothing any talking head will say can deter me or my fellow Marines from caring about the people of Iraq, or take away from the sacrifices of our comrades. Fear in the face of adversity is human nature, and many people who take the counsel of their fears speak today. All we ask is that Americans stand by us by supporting not just the troops, but also the mission. Maj Ben Connable is serving as a foreign-area officer and intelligence officer with the 1st Marine Division.