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5/17 Of the remaining six veterans pictured in the photograph,
"one is deceased and three do not wish to be involved
in any manner; only two of the 19 are believed to support
Kerry," the group said in a Monday press release.
Swift Boat Vets Accuse Kerry of Vietnam Photo Fraud
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/5/17/135458.shtml
\_ i think we can all agree NEWSMAX is not a credible news source
\_ Ok then go straight to their site. But your're right
admirals and captains have no credibility.
http://www.swiftvets.com/Index2.htm
\_ if you have some time to blow, the forums
on that website are interesting. - danh
\_ Amusing experiment. Do a google search for: swift boat kerry
Look at the links that come up. http://Newsmax.com, http://cnsnews.com,
http://nationalreview.com, and http://usvetdsp.com. This last one is the
most interesting. We do a whois and find the administrative
contact is ted sampley. We do a google for "Ted Sampley" and
find this: http://www.miafacts.org/prankster.htm
He's a shill. You're being played. This whole story is
manufactured. Repeated enough times until it's "true".
\_ http://archive.salon.com/opinion/conason/2004/05/04/swift
\_ So an admiral and the other members are lying that
they were Vietnam contemparies of Kerry's? Go
to their website - its the same guy that
debated kerry in the '70s. I think its you who
are being played. They have given several
talks at the National Press Club now, all covered
by CSPAN. Either they are lying / frauds or
you are full of shit.
http://www.swiftvets.com/Index2.htm
Of course the media is ignoring them, its to
be expected.
\_ If you want to keep score, there are scores of vets
who have come out in praise of kerry, and a handful
that have ties to Bush's PR groups, many of whom were
the same names that popped up criticizing McCain's
record in the 2000 primary, coming out blasting him.
At the same time, even with a reward offered, no one
could be scrounged up to praise Bush's record. You're
the one who's clouded, my friend.
\_ Bush is not running as a war hero, and doesn't mention
Vietnam is every sentence he utters. Kerry does.
\_ No, Bush is running as being good for national
defense by draining the treasury, playing
political games with funding requests, starting
wars under the name of fighting terror that
do more to foster it, and then turning around
and attacking Kerry's war record. Pointing out
Bush's dubious war record is just icing.
\_ You have no comments about the facts
in the stated website, choosing instead
to parrot vapid DNC rhetoric.
Why waste your (or my) time writing such
nonsense?
\_ salon is a left wing rag. The author of this article's book
is described as: the seminal book on the vast right wing
conspiracy that attempted to undo democracy by trying to
impeach Clinton. The book, of course, is "The Hunting of the
President."
\_ Sampley deserves to be hacked to pieces with a hoe.
-son of Vietnam Vet
\_ You know Swift Boat is a GOP front, right?
\_ Only the Officer Corp should be allowed to vote.
\_ part of the vast right wing conspiracy no doubt.
\_ newsmax and swift boat are quite clearly
part of the vast right wing conspiracy
\_ It's not a conspiracy when it's right out in the open.
\_ So what are you accusing them of... lying? 17 or 19 don't
want to be in the picture yet Kerry is widely
distributing it.
\_ So, Nam is important again? Can't people stop flip flopping on this?
\_ John Kerry was in Vietnam!!!!?? I had no idea... he never
mentions it!
\_ Notice that the entire swiftvets site never specifies anything
wrong or bad that Kerry has done, aside from protest the V. War. |
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| www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/5/17/135458.shtml Monday, May 17, 2004 12:50 pm EDT Swift Boat Vets Accuse Kerry of Vietnam Photo Fraud Eleven out of a group of nineteen Vietnam swift boat veterans pictured in Sen. John Kerry's presidential campaign literature demanded on Monday that he stop misrepresenting them as supporters. "Many of us don't want to be included in that picture because we have a rather unsavory feeling about this fellow," Kerry swift boatmate Bob Elder told nationally syndicated radio host Linda Chavez. Citing the top Democrat's anti-war activities after he returned from Vietnam, Elder told Chavez, "We regard the fact that he rallied the American public against his fellow comrades in arms as basically a betrayal of all of us." Swift boat veteran Bill Shumadine, who's also pictured in the campaign literature, told the Liberty Broadcasting host that he didn't want to be associated with Kerry in any way, calling his conduct after the war "very offensive." "Having my picture there it appears that I somehow support his cause," Shumadine explained, adding, "It's not something that I'm proud to be associated with." Elder, Shumadine and nine others have banded together in a group they call "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth," which includes more than 220 Vietnam veterans who served in Kerry's unit. Of the remaining six veterans pictured in the photograph, "one is deceased and three do not wish to be involved in any manner; only two of the 19 are believed to support Kerry," the group said in a Monday press release. "His use of a photograph with his 18 comrades with knowledge that 12 of them condemn him . is a complete misrepresentation to the public and a total fraud," Shumadine added. Elder told Chavez that the group of twelve included not only Kerry's boat mates, but two of his superior officers who joined in condemning Democratic presidential candidate. He noted also that at a press conference Friday in Washington, the group was joined by Jim Zumwalt, son of the late Admiral Elmo Zumwalt, former chief of naval operations during the Vietnam war. "Even Jim Zumwalt, on his father's behalf, joined us in condemning the activities of John, saying they do not make this man a fit candidate for Commander in Chief," Elder told Chavez. In an open letter to Kerry included with the press release, the group said, "We did not give permission for you to use a photo including our image, nor do we support you. We join our fellow Swiftees who believe that someone who heaped scorn and lies on his own unit for his personal political gain is not fit to be Commander in Chief." |
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| www.miafacts.org/prankster.htm Prisoners of Hope: Exploiting the POW-MIA Myth in America. Ms Keating, while she was a reporter for the Washington Times, was convinced that live American POWs remained in Vietnam. As time went on and she became more and more acquainted with the issue, she discovered the facts of the charlatans who take advantage of MIA families and who flim-flam the public, as well as discovering that the US government could have done a better job of managing the issue. The attacks on John McCain can be traced largely to the work of one man, Ted Sampley, of Kinston, NC. The following is a direct quote of the entire chapter about Sampley from Ms Keating's book; Below is the first page of the chapter in jpeg format -- I want readers to see that I really do have the book. I did this because the chapter is thirteen pages long and I did not want to put thirteen jpeg files on my web server. Following is quoted from Prisoners of Hope, by Susan Katz Keating, pages 193 - 205. jpg (307991 bytes) never received a thrashing either from the Wetzels or from any other family whose grief he has co-opted. He presents himself as somewhat culpable, but always forgivable; just a likable, big-hearted oaf who sometimes gets carried away by the POW crusade. A former Green Beret with multiple Bronze Star awards from Vietnam, Sampley has the outward appearance of the stereotypical downtrodden veteran outfitted by the local Army surplus store. But he is in fact a savvy businessman who is forth- right about earning money off "the cause" and is a key figure in the MIA issue. Unlike his colleagues who uncover POW "evidence" and solicit funds to embark on rescue missions, Sampley specializes in media manipulation and public relations. He has been invaluable to the activists, who rely on him to fan the flames of existing MIA stories, either through phone calls to legitimate journalists or on the pages of his own newspaper broadsheet, US Veteran News and Report. In addition to his work in support of fellow activists, Sampley specializes in orchestrating stunts that are dramatic and at times dangerous. They coated the ramp with oil, so that unsuspecting motorists would slither wildly before crashing into the barrier. The cars' headlights would illuminate a sign on the barrier that read "Free the POWs." The next day I learned about the on-ramp trap from Sampley, who called to announce what he had done. He was proud of his effort but disappointed that the trick had not come off. While Sampley and friends had watched from a nearby hiding place, police officers had found and dismantled the arrangement before any cars ran into it. When I told Sampley he had risked people's lives with the stunt, he accused me of being a spoilsport. He also said he was dismayed at missing the chance for newspaper coverage. Over the next couple of years, Sampley would succeed in attracting considerable press coverage of antics designed for that specific purpose. His favorite trick was to chain himself and others -- preferably attractive MIA daughters -- to the gates of the White House and throw fake blood at police, onto the White House lawn, or at Secret Service agents. On one occasion 1, Sampley placed bamboo cages containing live protestors on the front lawn of the house owned by Ronald Reagan's chief of staff Don Regan. Another time, Sampley led a group to the home of former National Security Council head Frank Carlucci. In the midst of a major snowstorm, Sampley and his followers blocked Carlucci's driveway with 1,800 "care" packages addressed to POWs in Laos. On yet another occasion, Sampley orchestrated a "bounty hunt" for Ann Mills Griffiths and other leaders of the National League of Families. Hunters were challenged to hit their prey with cream pies, water balloons, and rotten tomatoes. In 1988 Sampley -- who at the time had no personal stake in MIA issue -- tried to turn one family's somber moment into a scandal that would help perpetuate the POW movement. Instead, Sampley's effort came across as a vulgar grab for center stage. The episode revolved around the case of a Navy pilot, Commander Edwin B Tucker. Tucker had been shot down over North Vietnam eleven years earlier. He was thought to have been captured and was listed as a POW. His remains were returned to the United States and were buried with full military honors in 1988 at Arlington National Cemetery. Shortly after the funeral, Sampley called a press conference in Norfolk, Virginia, where Tucker's former aircraft carrier is based. Sampley announced that Tucker's body had been on display for fifteen years inside a glass case in Vietnam. Sampley said Tucker's family had been forced to pledge secrecy on the matter before being allowed to receive the remains. In a scenario similar to the one he had created about Wetzel, Sampley said that Tucker had parachuted alive into a crowd of angry villagers, who had hacked at him with a hoe. "They carried him to a North Vietnamese hospital where he was put on an operating table and died," Sampley told reporters. The remains, along with Tucker's flight helmet, were then placed inside the glass case, Sampley said. "The Vietnamese public gawked at this display for fifteen years." Sampley said that both the US and Vietnamese governments had told Tucker's son he could have the remains only if he swore to keep the facts of the case secret. Sampley had hoped to stir the anger of the tens of thousands of Navy families living in and around Norfolk. "There was no coercion, none of that whatsoever," the son said. He emphasized that there was "no agreement, secret or otherwise. " He also questioned whether anyone would be foolish enough to place a body under glass and then allow it to decompose in public for fifteen years. Over the next several years, Sampley continued to garner headlines with a variety of pranks and ill-founded press conferences. In 1992 Sampley -- now an official MIA family member through his marriage to the daughter of a man missing in Laos -- finally organized a stunt that evolved into a national news story. He planned for a group of hecklers to disrupt President Bush's scheduled speech before the annual- National League of Families assembly. League officials thought Sampley might try something at the convention and told the Secret Service not to let him gate- crash. As expected, Sampley tried to get in to see the president's speech. When he refused to leave, Sampley was arrested and charged with trespassing. When Bush began his talk, Sampley's people drowned him out, yelling, and "No more lies!" The exchange continued until Bush lost Ws cool and shouted, "Shut up and sit down!" It was a triumphant moment for the activists, who used the episode to trumpet their claim that Bush had nothing but disrespect for the families. Sampley jumped to claim credit, threatening more such outbursts if the president did not order the immediate release of all government documents pertaining to MIAs. But if Sampley and his followers were pleased by the exchange, the National League of Families was highly embarrassed, and also very uneasy. The group's leaders were afraid that Bush would blame the entire organization for the disruption and that the episode might damage their relations with the government. While activists and family members were still abuzz over the confrontation, Sampley was already deep into his next project. It was his most scurrilous 2 to date, a sustained campaign to label Senator John McCain an undercover agent of the KGB. Sampley, who years earlier had defended Bobby Garwood's actions as motivated by the need to survive, now accused McCain of being a weak-minded coward who had escaped death by collaborating with the enemy. Sampley claimed that McCain had first been compromised by the Vietnamese, then recruited by the Soviets. To those who know McCain and are familiar with his behavior in captivity, the charge is ludicrous. McCain resisted his captors to such a degree that he was isolated in a special prison for troublemakers. He repeatedly refused special favors, including early release, and emerged as a spiritual and religious leader for other prisoners. Nonetheless, Sampley was persistent... |
| archive.salon.com/opinion/conason/2004/05/04/swift -> archive.salon.com/opinion/conason/2004/05/04/swift/index_np.html campaign to brand the Democrat "unfit to serve as commander in chief." Billing itself as representing the "other 97 percent of veterans" from Kerry's Navy unit who don't support his presidential candidacy, the group insists that all presidential candidates must be "totally honest and forthcoming" about their military service. These "swift boat vets" claim still to be furious about Kerry's 1971 Senate testimony against the war in which he spoke about atrocities in Indochina's "free fire zones." More than three decades later, facing the complicated truth about Vietnam remains difficult. But this group's political connections make clear that its agenda is to target the election of 2004. John E O'Neill, law partner of Spaeth's late husband, Tex Lezar; Roy Hoffman, a cigar-chomping former Vietnam commander once described as "the classic body-count guy" who "wanted hooches destroyed and people killed." You have two options: Subscribe now, or watch a brief ad and get a free day pass. |
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