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2004/5/14 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:30222 Activity:insanely high
5/13  Kerry shafts the unemployeed: http://tinyurl.com/35ukj
      \_ you're reaching, troll.
           \_ How precisely is this a troll?  And why are there so many
              polemical attacks on anything criticizing Kerry? -emarkp
        \_ it sure sounds like the republicans tried to frame
           kerry for this.  what do you think emarkp?
            \_ It's easier to just scream "troll!" and walk away then
               actually say anything intelligent to defend the undefendable.
                 \_ I'll defend Kerry:  It's better for him to be out
                    campaigning than for him to be tied up in the senate by
                    political games.
                    \_ Then he should resign his senate seat and let someone do
                       the job instead of getting paid not to be there, and in
                       this case letting legislation that he's ostensibly for
                       fail. -emarkp
                  \_ When you're a manager and a guy who works for you is
                     out interviewing instead of doing his job, you'll be
                     ok with that?  Please ping me when you become a
                     manager.
                \_ the american people are gwbush's manager, do we
                   call for his head every time he appears at a NASCAR
                   game?  ok i do but i am an extreme case.
                       \_ if he's applying for a higher-level position in the
                          same organization?  Of course you support it.  Or
                          do you think the job of a manager is to make sure
                          his staff never advances?  -tom
                          \_ what?  what topic are you replying to?  if this
                             the fucked up motdedit merge 'feature' gone awry?
                             \_ I'm replying to "When you're a manager...".
                                "the american people..." put his post in
                                between.  -tom
                          \_ Sure you can interview for another position in
                             the same organization, but not if it impairs
                             your ability to do the job you're currently
                             holding.
                              \_ The difference is, if one of my employees
                                were interviewing for another job in the
                                organization, I would take that into account
                                in terms of scheduling tasks for him, rather
                                than using the opportunity to play cheap,
                                disingenuous political games.  -tom
                                \_ Do you have proof of "cheap, disingenuous
                                   political games", or is it just a
                                   conspiracy theory?
                                   \_ The Democrats had been pushing for a
                                      vote for weeks, and the Republicans
                                      bring it to a vote when Kerry has a
                                      scheduled campaign stop.  It's not proof
                                      but it's pretty fishy.  Don't make me
                                      dig up the congressional record to
                                      show the Dems tried to get a vote, it's
                                      reasonably well-documented in the news.
                                      \_ In other words, no proof and just a
                                         conspiracy theory.
                                         \_ The proof is prima facie.  -tom
                    \_ the american people are gwbush's manager, do we
                       call for his head every time he appears at a NASCAR
                       game?  ok i do but i am an extreme case.
               \_ It IS kinda trollish.  That title doesn't match the
                 article very well.  A better one would be: "Kerry
                 ironically continues to igonre his senatorial duties,
                 even when his vote is vital to the issues he claims to
                 care about" or some such. -jrleek
              \_ It's a troll because the vote was staged.  The Republicans had
                 plenty of votes to make the bill go down, and Bush had
                 threatened to veto it.  When the GOP leadership learned Kerry
                 would not be present for the vote, they arranged to have some
                 R-senators change their vote so that it would fail by 1 vote.
                 Even if Kerry had magically apeared at the last minute, Bush
                 would still have vetoed it.  A more fair title would be:
                 "Kerry humiliated by staged vote."
                 \_ URL proving this was staged?
                 \_ Ding ding ding. We have a winner.
                    \_ Not until he backs up his bold assertions.
                   \_ It's impossible to prove that the GOP conspired to rig
                      the vote, but the fact that the vote has been put off for
                      weeks and then was suddenly announced just the night
                      before, while Kerry was away, looks a little suspicous.
                      No one can dispute the fact that if Bush vetoed it,
                      Kerry's vote would note have mattered.  Some URLs below:
    Newsday columnist: GOP stacks the vote to make Kerry a loser
    http://www.newsday.com/news/columnists
           ny-vpmcc133799370may13,0,7114735.column?coll=ny-news-columnists
    CNN: Senate rejects jobless benefits extension
    http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/05/11/kerry.vote

                        \_ So you can't prove a god damned thing.  This is
                           just more "I HATE BUSHCO!" conspiracy theory.
                           Thanks for clarifying that.
                 \_ Wow!  didn't know republicans are so childish.
                    \_ Amazing that you believe this crap without so much as
                       a misquote from some public figure.  No URL.  No
                       nothing.  Oh well.  The moon is made of cheese, too.
               \_ If the Senate had done this and Bush had done that, then
                  it wouldn't have mattered if Kerry voted or not.  If
                  Nasdaq stayed 5000, I would have been rich.  I'm not
                  rich, and the vote lost by 1, Kerry's.
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