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5/12 The pernicious idiocy of the left epitomized
by this thread. http://Salon.com accuses http://freerepublic.com
of complicity in Berg's death.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1134424/posts?page=1,50
\_ Idiocy is synonymous with GWB. Stop trying to hijack our word.
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| www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1134424/posts?page=1,50 I will either call him back on the record or he can use my comments here on the record. On March 7, you posted a list of signatories to an ANSWER protest; It seems as if you just posted a copy of the list from the ANSWER site, but the trouble is, your list appears much longer than the one on their page. Michael Berg's name -- and many others -- is not on their page. So I wonder if you can tell me where you got your list -- have you any idea why yours is longer than the one they have? I also wonder what you think about the fact that you named these people enemies; Some people on left-leaning blogs are floating the theory that Nick Berg was detained or singled out by US authorities in Iraq because of the list you posted. I'm a reporter trying to get to the bottom of this story, and it'd be great to get your input. Can you e-mail or call, or let me know where to reach you? That could explain his arrest by Iraqi police --a detention which fatally delayed his planned return from Iraq and may have led directly to his death. Nick Berg, 26 disappeared into incommunicado detention after his arrest by Iraqi police in March, 2004. His body was found last Saturday in Baghdad, and a video of his beheading --supposedly by a radical Islamic group-- was posted on the Internet on Tuesday. The official story of his gruesome murder has many dubious aspects, not least the real reason why Iraqi police detained the young man at a checkpoint. New research by BreakForNews has uncovered a plausible explanation. On 7th March, 2004, just three weeks before the first anniversary of the invasion of Iraq, an 'enemies' list of anti-war groups and individuals was posted on the Free Republic forum. The list had been copied from publicly available endorsements of a call to action for an imminent anniversary antiwar protest on 20th March, 2004. Among those listed as having endorsed the call to action was this entry: "Michael S Berg, Teacher, Prometheus Methods Tower Service, Inc." That's Nick Berg's father, Michael who acts as business manager for his son in their family radio communications firm, Prometheus Methods Tower Service. Their upper radiator hose bursts, the car overheats, and they miss their flight. They get to the airport a few hours late and are able to catch the next plane. Fintan Dunne headline: Pep Boys Implicated in Death of Innocent Travelers. If anyone could conceive such twisted logic, it would be Ms Dunne. Without a defective radiator hose, they would have made it to the airport on time. Without a defective radiator hose they would not have been on the flight where the shoebomber detonated his loafers in the seat just behind the wing. I will let you make some comments before I make additional on the record comments. View Replies To: doug from upland Well, let's try this one. If the name was on an otherwise publicly available list why would we attribute Iraqi knowledge of that name to a reprint on FreeRepublic? How about attributing it to the original publicly available list, and to the fact that Mr Berg and the company were in fact active in ANSWER? Also, I gather there is no evidence that some Iraqi unit actually uses the American FreeRepublic chat site as the source of its intel for detaining Americans found in a war zone. View Replies To: doug from upland The official story of his gruesome murder has many dubious aspects, not least the real reason why Iraqi police detained the young man at a checkpoint. New research by BreakForNews has uncovered a plausible explanation. And yet, no explanation, plausible or otherwise, follows. Perhaps even the esteemed Ms Dunne lacks the chuztpah to actually express what she so slyly insinuates. If this is the kind of twaddle that salon finds worthwhile, no wonder it sucks so bad. View Replies To: doug from upland "The family firm of beheaded American Nick Berg, was named by a conservative website in a list of 'enemies' of the Iraq occupation. That could explain his arrest by Iraqi police --a detention which fatally delayed his planned return from Iraq and may have led directly to his death." The flights of fancy that some on the Left take must be quite expensive, given the cost of jet fuel these days. Just this paragraph alone represents leaps and extrapolations that could land one in the next galaxy. View Replies To: doug from upland Some people on left-leaning blogs are floating the theory that Nick Berg was detained or singled out by US authorities in Iraq because of the list you posted. They're positing that NICK Berg got detained because MICHAEL Berg's name was on a list? The CIA passed them the Master List Of All Americans Who Are Related To One Another? View Replies To: doug from upland Ok, ANSWER actively opposes the US Governments position on every issue. I guess that kind of explains why we would think of them as enemies. ANSWER oppose the US Government for the SAKE of opposing the US Government, NOT from any vision of a better alternative solution. By doing that, Answer is a propaganda arm for the Terrorists. I do not know if Answer does this KNOWINGLY or just cannot figure out the logical conclusion of their actions. View Replies To: doug from upland Doug, I have only read one blog from a crackpot wherein he cited FR as a site of "right-wing haters" and he also provided a link to your post naming the answer folks. I didn't know they were still being propped-up and in business. View Replies To: doug from upland First, does this sound like reality: Iraqi police officer: I have suspect, named Joe Jones in custody. Iraqi police supervisor: Standby Achmed while I surf FR for info on suspect. The left is really going overboard in their conspiracy theories over Berg's death. They are doing more damage to their own cause than we ever could. View Replies To: Trailerpark Badass Another poster on another thread expressed the possibility that a telecom specialist, known to be associated with supporters of the anti-American Iraqi resistance, and with no sensible economic reason for being there, might have been drawn there with ideas of helping the anti-American side with their communications. And then discovered too late that "dead men tell no tales". View Replies To: doug from upland Dear Salon, I think they are all enemies of the free state. They advocate replacing a government of, for and by the people, to a centralized socialist form of government. Anyone subscribing to such thought is an enemy of the state. Michael Moore and George Soros are enemies of the state. If I had my druthers, they all would be given the option of deportation, or internment. View Replies To: doug from upland Obviously the left is feeling the heat over their guilt in getting Berg beheaded because they pushed this prison hazing scandal in the media. Attack seems to be their best method of defense, since otherwise they have none. View Replies To: doug from upland Nobody looked for the name of Michael Berg on this list until AFTER the video of Nick Berg's death, and as I recall, it only came up because of speculation that he may have been involved in anti-war activity, which would have been ironic. You published the list on FR so that people could see who were signatories to the ANSWER propaganda. Since ANSWER is an obvious communist organization, wouldn't communists naturally be qualified as enemies of America? Of course many of these people may just be "useful fools" and unaware that the organization is indeed communist. View Replies To: doug from upland It makes about as much sense as somebody noting that some of the pictures of the Iraqi prison "torture" were linked to in various posts on FR, and therefore FR is complicit in generating anger throughout the Arab world, and is therefore to blame for Berg's murder. View Replies To: doug from upland Does the reporter from salon seriously think that Iraqi policemen are reading posts on FreeRepublic? Certainly there would be an infinitely greater chance of them reading amateur essays here on FR than the professional scribblings on salon. |
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An open letter-- Berg dies while the Senate preens Posted by hatfieldmccoy On 05/13/2004 8:54:43 PM PDT with 16 comments vanity | 5-13-04 | hatfieldmccoy Senator Hagel, Senator Nelson, It has taken two days for me to have regained my composure to the point I could actually write you. You see, I've seen the unedited video of the Berg (an American) murder. Yes I watched the horrors of 9-11. I saw the Pearl (an American) murder video and the burning and gleeful dismemberment of the four security personnel (Americans). But the Berg video was staring straight into Hell. These things took their time. They used a dull knife and took 30 seconds to saw off this man's head. AM ET LONDON, May 13 (Reuters) - Britain's Daily Telegraph newspaper suspended the weekly column of Barbara Amiel-Black after its parent, Hollinger International, filed a lawsuit accusing her and her husband Conrad Black of looting the company. Martin Newland, the editor of Britain's top-selling broadsheet, "has decided to suspend the column until legal proceedings are completed," the paper said in a statement on Thursday. What Led Nick Berg to Iraq? Posted by dyno35 On 05/13/2004 8:48:10 PM PDT with 20 comments The Philadelphia Daily News ^ | May 13, 2004 | By William Bunch BERG'S JOURNEY SPARKED FBI PROBE AND OTHER STRANGE DETAILS HE WAS not like anyone else his friends from West Chester had ever known - an adventurous dreamer, a driven idealist, part philosopher and part inventor who was bored with college Record 26m divorce win 'a pyrrhic victory' (More Saudi kidnapping) Posted by Lan... |