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2004/5/11 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:30162 Activity:very high
5/11    Captured on video:  Iraqi insurgents shown slitting throat and removing
        head of American contractor from Philadelphia using a large knife.
        (Yes, this is just after he names the members of his family and his
        hometown to the camera.)  Nick Berg's body found on Saturday in
        Baghdad.  It's all over the news now.
        \_ These people hate freedom.
        ---From Here---
        \_ Bring 'em on! --Bush
        \_ Ahh, they're just blowing off some steam. --Rush Limbaugh
        \_ I'm more outraged by the outrage. --Senator Inhofe
        \_ Ugh!  this is turning ugliyer and ugliger.
        \_ How long must the shit continue to hit the fan?
            \_ not really, turn off the Political correctness and Iraq war
                will be over in a drop of a bomb
                \_ What an intelligent solution!
        ---To Here---
           \_ To the above: you think this is some fucking joke?  Or it's just
              another way to take a shot at Bush for the fall election?  Wake
              the fuck up, you jerkoffs.  It was beyond the pale.  After that
              shit, I no longer give a flying fuck what happens to any Iraqi.
              I *did* care what happened somewhat after the 4 guys getting
              shot, burned, dragged through the streets and hung from a
              bridge.  I *did* kind of care about the prison abuse.  I no
              longer care.  They can turn it all to glass or use it as a huge
              target pracitce range now and I won't care about it anymore.
              These people don't deserve freedom, life, or anything else but
              a painful gruelling death.  This has gone beyond the political
              and you three are too stupid and self absorbed to see it.
                  \- the people claiming it is "some fucking joke"
                    are animals like rush limbaugh. and those kinds of
                    comments and reactions is what is in part nodoubt fueling
                    this wave of reliation of al queda recruitment. let's
                    ask howard dean again "has intervetion in iraq made
                    your more of less safe?" --psb
                    \_ Al Qaeda listens to Rush and got pissed off so they cut
        \_ "Berg's mother said the family had not seen the tape and were still
           trying to decide whether to view it. They had been having trouble
           accessing it because of a slow computer connection.  'I don't know
           if I want to see it. It's just so awful,' Suzanne Berg said."
                       of this guy's head on video for his family to see and
                       thus this is all Rush Limbaugh's fault because he made
                       them do it?
              \_ Well honestly I felt kind of down about that for a little
                 while but now I'm over it because you know, if you weren't
                 so fucking naive you'd understand that such episodes are
                 basically to be expected. I don't plan to watch that video.
                 It's from an al qaeda guy right? Not some joe blow Iraqi.
                 All the shit going on over there including the thousands
                 of innocent Iraqi bombing deaths and the Falluja stuff
                 are the semi-predictable postwar fallout so if you supported
                 the war you have to just grin and bear it, so to speak.
                 These guys trying to make money over there knowingly risk
                 their lives. The above comments are more a bitter I told
                 you so than comedy.
              \_ So, since Bush and his administration have claimed to be
                 commited to bringing democracy, freedom and economic
                 prosperity to Iraq, do you think that they are lying, or
                 are you forced to no longer support them?
                 \_ Price of tea in China?
              \_ You're right, this is far too awful to imagine.  But you're
                 mistaking their bitter tone for sheer jocularity- the point
                 you're missing is that responsibility for this goes back
                 further in time, and higher up the chain of responsibility,
                 than Abu Ghraib.  The dogs who did this to Nick Berg are
                 one more symptom of a COLOSSAL miscalculation.
                 \_ So Bush *made* them cut off his head and send a video?
              \_ The appropriate response is to get the people who did it.
                 Unfortunately, they're all masked in the video.
              \_ Using your argument, someone should nuke the US also. I am
                 sure our government has done similar things in the past.
                 \_ Using your argument all humans should be killed.
              \_ Using Bush's words, "Those few individuals do not
                 represent the ....." Need I say more?
                 \_ Yes, you need to.
              \_ Your nationalism is obsolete and boorish.
                 \_ And here we have a Citizen Of The World(c) adding his two
                    bits.
              \_ We warned you not to let the US get involved in this
                 pointless and illegal war. As for the self absorbed
                 crack, you are the worst of the bunch. -antiwar protestor
                        \_ Like the pacifists in the 1930's you still
                           refuse to recognize evil.  Militant Islam has
                           declared war on the West.  There is no middle
                           ground - they wan't to kill or convert ALL of
                           us.  Berg's decapitation was not a isolated
                           incident by fringe radicals; it is precisely how
                           Islam has been spread since its inception.  If
                           the war is not fought now it will be fought on
                           the streets of America.
                 \_ In what way am I self absorbed?  I'm not the one here
                    getting amusement or seeking political gain from this
                    man's brutal murder.  It isn't too late to restore Hussein
                    to power.  Do you think we should do that?  If we could go
                    back in time, is that the right answer?
                    \_ The right answer is to not go around sticking your nose
                       into everyone else's business, especially when it is
                       not invited and not welcome. This is a totally
                       predictable outcome of warfare: I bet stuff like this
                       happens in every war. Your self absorption is your
                       "nuke them  all, let God sort it out" philosophy.
                       Rather than bother yourself with trying to punish
                       the guilty and assist the innocent, you wish to take
                       the easy way out and proclaim all evil. Btw, politics
                       is sort of the opposite of "self absorption," almost
                       by defintion, unless you are a politician, perhaps.
              \_ I understand your anger.  It is right to feel angry when
                 human beings do this kind of thing to other human beings.
                 It's right to want to punish the ones who did this. It's
                 also important that we don't take out our frustration and
                 outrage on people who had nothing to do with this. Repeat
                 after me:  the murder of human beings, no matter how
                 outrageous, does not excuse further barbarism.
        \_ Time to turn sand into glass.
        \_ Ugh!  this is turning uglier and ugliger.
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           \_ fyi, http://ogrish.com has a download available
        \_ Berg's purpose for visit is unknown.  He has been arrested by
           FBI before.  His story might be more complicated than just simple
           hostage taking.
           \_ His purpose in Iraq is clear from his parents' description.
              He was a war supporter who helped set up electronics equipment
              at the Republican National Convention in Philly in 2000.
              He was trying to get more work rebuilding radio towers.
              He was arrested by Iraqi police and detained by coalition
              authorities.  They talked to the FBI, and the FBI talked to his
              parents.  Which web sites have you been reading?
           \_ Yeah, that's it, blame the victim.
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