5/10 The prisoners of mention in Abu Ghraib were politial prisoners caught
with IEDs, attacking coalition forces, or with caches of
weapons. They are not common criminals. They must be interrogated
to save lives.
\_ Except for all the innocent people caught in a warzone.
\_ hmm. the terrorist made the entire world a warzone
\_ Yep. But if our prisons are as bad as Saddam's, who precisely are
we liberating? -emarkp
\_ That's pretty naive. -- ilyas
\_ That's pretty presumptive. My point was that the thugs that
\_ This was mild compared to what Saddam did. What are
we expected to do - interrogate terrorists with cushy
pillows?
coerced those prisoners weren't very different than Saddam's
thugs. I was not calling equating Saddam's Iraq with the
abuse is said to have occurred) and when I looked down
the corridor, I saw two naked detainees, one
masturbating to another kneeling with its mouth open,"
he is quoted as saying. "I thought I should just get out
of there. I didn't think it was right, as it seemed like
the wrong thing to do. I saw Staff Sergeant Frederick
walking towards me, and he said, `Look what these
animals do when you leave them alone for two seconds.'"
current occupation. I've simply gotten tired of the partisan
conservatives who are trying to excuse this behavior. It was
inexcusable. -emarkp
\_ Do you find the torture itself inexcusable or the lack
of professionalism, or perhaps something else? -- ilyas
\_ I think the argument would go that our prisoners are justly
detained while Saddam's were not.
\_ Well, we murdered some people, too. Probably
not as many as Saddam but he had 20 years, we
have only been in power for one.
\_ This was mild compared to what Saddam did. What are we
expected to do - interrogate terrorists with cushy pillows?
\_ How much "nicer" than Saddam do we have to be to not be
like him? I have no problem using forceful questioning
tactics. I *do* have a problem forcing prisoners to *act*
in ways they find morally offensive. And any techniques
for "softening up" prisoners should be practiced by people
trained in extracting information, not random GI's from the
motor pool. Furthermore, there shouldn't be any pictures.
-emarkp
\_ Yeah taking pictures was stupid. It provided proof. I
agree with your 'don't do anything the prisoners find
\_ I'd rather have that than be physically maimed and/or
killed. Not that I'm defending it or whatever but in
context of "mild compared to what Saddam did". What
exactly did Saddam do? -someone else
\_ Woodchipper. Feet first.
\_ This is why no gays or women in the military.
\_ Well, we murdered some people, too. Probably not as
many as Saddam but he had 20 years, we have only been
in power for one.
morally offensive' line. I find paying my taxes, my
mortgage and ever increasing oil prices morally
offensive. I should not have to do any of these things.
My rights should at least match those of some murdering
religous fanatic thug.
\_ Defending Abu Ghraib takes motd idiocy to a new level!
\_ Hmmm, a new form of ad hominen?
\_ dude, you use it a lot so get it right: "hominem"
\_ i find it offensive that you would attack me for
being a stutterer.
\_ Shut up and climb onto the pyramid.
\_ Best. Riposte. EVER.
\_ Ripostes are now "freedom parries".
\- i think BUSH misunderstood what
his FAVORITE PHILOSOPHER meant
by TURN THE OTHER CHEEK.
\_ "I went down to Tier 1 (the cellblock where much of the
abuse is said to have occurred) and when I looked down the
corridor, I saw two naked detainees, one masturbating to
another kneeling with its mouth open," he is quoted as
saying. "I thought I should just get out of there. I didn't
think it was right, as it seemed like the wrong thing to
do. I saw Staff Sergeant Frederick walking towards me, and
he said, `Look what these animals do when you leave them
alone for two seconds.'"
-NY Times
\_ Meanwhile, a report completed in February by the International
Committee of the Red Cross and leaked to media outlets Monday
found that up to 90 percent of Iraqis held by U.S. and allied
troops have been arrested by mistake. -CNN
\_ Thanks. was trying to find that again.
\_ No reference other than "CNN" provided. Why are you thanking
him?
\_ The ones caught with weapons and setting IEDs??
\_ "Leaked"? Hehehe, yeah I'm sure that was a mistake/error. The
LA Times is the source of all honest jorunalism and anything to
the right of NPR is neocon propaganda. Yep.
\_ Yes, "leaked." Information is leaked TO a newspaper, not BY
it. But feel free to ignore the fact that the Red Cross told
Bremer about abuses in the middle of last year. |
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