5/5     Why alumni with accounts should be deactivated: First of all it's
        good for them. It'll encourage the older legacy Associate Members to
        to finish up their degrees as to to set up examples for what it is
        like to be a proud Sodan and Berkeleyan. In another word, it'll force
        them to get a life. Secondly, it is good for current users. For a
        very long time these same ol' boys have treated new users as inferior
        sub-citizens & discouraged discussions that may change and or improve
        CSUA's organization and its administration. It is as win-win situation
        to deactivate their accounts. I kindly ask everyone not just
        politburo to give this a serious consideration and respond with
        constructive criticism. Thanks.  -anonymous coward fearing the alumis
                                                alumni is already plural _/
        \_ All users running processes for more than 24 hours will be killed.
                                                alumni is already plural _/
        \_ As you are still in school, you probably don't yet understand the
           absolute necessity of a social network.  This one is particularly
           good for working in the industry.  Whatever you come up against,
           it's more than likely someone here has had experience with it
           (or wrote it).  If the motd turns you off, turn it off.  But cutting
           out alumni would be extremely shortsighted. --scotsman
           \_ Ben, it's paolo ranting.  Ignore him. -- ilyas
              \_ Hrm.  he wasn't logged in when it was posted. --scotsman
                 \_ Wow, ok.  Someone's channeling paolo then. -- ilyas
                    \_ I don't think paolo actually posts to the motd.  He
                       prefers to rant directly to his friends where he
                       can elicit an immediate response, rather than ranting
                       to a semi-anonymous mass.
                       \_ paolo posts to the MOTD, but the above doesn't
                          sound like his voice (though it does sound like
                          one of his tired polemics).  -tom
                          \_ It also doesn't have his signature. - pst
           \_ the motd turns me on -aspo
              \_ what doesn't?
        \_ Could you provide an example of alumni discouraging discussion
           about improving CSUA's organization and its administration?  -tom
           \_ Could anyone BUT tom please defend the honor of the alumni?
              \_ Ok.  Any challenger has a choice of pistols, rapiers or chess.
                   -- ilyas
                 \_ modification; Any challenger must go thru a gamut of
                    ilyas with pistols, me with rapiers, and mconst with chess.
                    42" zamorano or 35" standard; either one works. Just none
                    of that foil shit. - pst
                    \_ twohey volunteers to fight unarmed, and geordan
                       volunteers for katana duty.  I guess alumni honor is
                       pretty well defended after all. -- ilyas
                    \_ your proposal would make life more like Mad Max:
                       Beyond Thunderdome.  this is clearly a good thing.
              \_ Ok, here goes: calling for ridiculous witch hunts based on
                 perceived slights does far more to discourage discussion than
                 tom's supposed brusqueness.  I've never met the guy, maybe he's
                 a real jackass in person, but tom the motd poster has never
                 really been more rude or condescending than anyone else.
                        -- anonymous alumni
                                        \_ alum/alumnus/alumna
                                           \_ We don't think so.
                                                -- anonymous alumni
                 \_ seconded.  if you're intimidated by tom's motd posts,
                    you are the one with the problem, not tom.  they're
        \_ So, because some alumni are "abusive" you should get rid of them all,
        including alums like me and Nevin and many others who don't
                    really not that inflamatory.  And even if they were,
                    it's just a bunch of words on a world readable text file.
                    \_ tom probably stands out because he signs his name and
                       makes insulting comments. there are far more vicious
                       posters but since they don't sign their name nobody
                       talks about them.
        \_ I think your byline says enough. Anyway, maybe YOU should
           leave.
        \_ I don't think that account deactivation will cause a person to
           finish up their degree or get a life if they don't already have
           one.  I do think that disconnecting alumni would be a bad thing for
           student members because alumni are valuable for job/career/grad
           school advice and/or leads.  Reducing the amount of social
           networking can only be bad for current students.  The UC is
           constantly trying to get alumni and students to network and
           encourage alumni to maintain ties to the UC and CSUA's policy of
           maintaining alumni accounts is an easy way to do this.  If
           anything,  alumni should encourage new users to hang out on wall,
           #csua, and other forums.  In my opinion alumni account,
           deactivation is a lose-lose situation.
                --jeffwong (alumnus)
        \_ It's my only connection to Berkeley and I enjoy it. -97grad
           \_ Seconded -93grad aluminiumnus
        \_ If paying more tuition for each additional semester of
           attendance can't force people to graduate on time, how can
           disabling a petty little csua account accomplish it?
        \_ I'll go commit suicide if I can no longer nuke<del><del><del><del>
           I mean post to the motd or keep in touch with fellow
           girlfriendless sodans.
        \_ So, because some alumni are "abusive" you should get rid of them
           all, including alums like me and Nevin and many others who don't
           abuse anyone and who have actively helped the CSUA?  For example,
           Nevin was in part responsible for obtaining this very machine....
           What have YOU done for the CSUA, that you feel like you need to
           get rid of people like Nevin?  --PeterM
        \_ the post is directed at people who never graduated. Are you
           telling me that you, nevin, psb, and tom never graduated?
           \_ No, the post is clearly directed at all alumni. Reread it.
           \_ 1) Re-read the post. It refers to alumni in general.
              2) If you meant just non-graduates, are there non-graduated
                 "alumni" on soda other than tom? It sounds to me like ACFTA
                 is only really talking about tom, in which case, they should
                 probably say as much. Y'all could call yourselves the HDL
                 (Holub Defamation League) (TM). -- ulysses
                 \_ I never graduated. --scotsman
                    \_ O-Ho! Well perhaps you can tell us. Will pulling your
                       account encourage you to graduate?
                       \_ Er.. no. But see my above post. --scotsman
                          \_ Oops. My bad. -- ulysses
           \_ at least 50% of "you, nevin, psb, and tom" never graduated.
              \_ given that the English language does not distinguish between
                 you plural and you singular, and that there are more than two
                 graduates on the motd, your statement is clearly false in
                 general.
                 \_ note the quotation marks.  i was quoting a conversation
                    between PeterM and another poster, and in that
                    conversation the "you" clearly referred to PeterM.
                    \_ i stand corrected.
        \_ I bet op is alumni.
           \_ How did Tom Holub get an account?  Was he ever a U.C. Berkeley
           \_ How did Tom Holube get an account?  Was he ever a U.C. Berkeley
              Undergraduate student?
                \_ yes, he was.  He is also current UCB staff.  As such,
                   he's got more right to an account than many of us.
                   \_ Tom was not a Undergrad at UCB.  Strange he did not
                      correct this.
              \_ Way to change the subject.
                 \_ I'm telling you, it's the revenge of kchang
                    \_ It was a serious question.  I know people have
                       been given account as favors to faculty, grad
                       student researcher, Berkeley High School.
                       \_ why do you think it's any of your business?  -tom
                          \_ either your account is a policy violation or it
                             isn't.  if it isn't it shouldn't be a big deal.
                             if it is, no one should get special favors.  is
                             that really hard to understand?
                             \_ I am the OP.  I was just curious.  Not
                                intending to suggest squishage.
        \_ Do we have a list of once-active sodans who didn't graduate?
           sameer, psb, tom...
           Did phil graduate?
           \_ phil is a tenured undergrad, I think. -- ilyas
           smurf?
           \_ sameer and smurf have abandoned soda.
                \_ hence the term "once-active".
  \_ Hey alumni, go ..... !!!!
     \_ BEARS!
       \_ GO ..... !!!!
          \_ BEAH!