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| 2004/5/4-5 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:30006 Activity:insanely high |
5/4 Some Vietnam vets slam Kerry
http://csua.org/u/76i
\_ Now (Iraq torturing) is probably not the best time to doubt claims
of atrocities committed by US forces in Vietnam.
\_ Taking photos of nude prisoners is not torture.
It is hazing - similar activities take place
is fraternities.
\_ And this illustrates why all the libruls are just brain
dead, if they had any brain to begin with. Hazing is a
priviledge. Even in America, very few of the incoming
students who beg for it would have the honor of getting
hazed. To think the Iraqis are getting it for free,
witout even so much as asking for it, should make every
American green with jealousy and want to become an Iraqi.
\_ yawn, this is the best you can do? I'd expect
more from a high school sophmore.
\_ Kerry claims everyone in Vietnam did it (except him of
course)
\_ in all the 4 months Kerry was runner scumming in
his speed boat, he managed to kill 1 unarmed vietcong
and many innocent civilians
\_ How the heck do you know? I'd like to. Link?
\_ some guys have a beef with him from 1971, who cares.
\_ '"I do not believe John Kerry is fit to be commander in chief of
the U.S. armed forces," said retired Rear Adm. Roy Hoffmann,
chairman of the organization.'
My father served in Vietnam and Somalia, and he doesn't think
W is fit to lick shit off a vet's boots. So why should you care
what either of them think?
\_ Was your father Bush's commander in the Air National
Guard? Some of the signees were Kerry's supervisors
in Vietnam. Did Bush protest against Vietnam and
Somalia for political gain? Nor does Bush portray
himself as a war hero, Kerry does. Consequently
the opinion of Kerry's contemporaries is pertinent.
\_ One guy questioned one of his three purple hearts.
A few other didn't like him because he was anti-
war. That's all they had on him. Smells partisan
to me.
\_ How many times does this have to repeated???
An overwhelming majority of the veterans are
not condemning his participation or medals,
but his despicable actions after the war.
He was in the vanguard of leftists
undermining of the Vietnam war effort. He
and his ilk are why a free Hanoi subsequently
fell and the millions fled on rafts. All
of his behavoir is well documented if you
would bother to investigate:
http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry
\_ Bush is running as the hero/furer/messiah for 9/11+iraq. |
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| csua.org/u/76i -> interestalert.com/brand/siteia.shtml?Story=st/sn/05040000aaa00c01.upi&Sys=siteia&Fid=WORLDNEW&Type=News&Filter=World%20News John Kerry's accounts of his service in Vietnam and his statements that he witnessed atrocities were attacked as fabrications and political opportunism Tuesday by a group of Vietnam veterans who served with him personally or in the units affiliated with him during his short tour of duty in Southeast Asia. The veterans, including some of Kerry's former commanders and shipmates, have formed an organization called "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" and called on the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee to authorize release of all his service records, including medical records. We think that those have cast aspersion on those living and dead. We intend to bring the truth about that to the American people. He requested and received reassignment to the United States after receiving three Purple Hearts for combat wounds, allowed under Navy regulations. The circumstances and merit of one of those awards has come into question in the campaign against President George W. Bush, leading to acrimonious mudslinging and a resurrection of the turmoil the conflict inflicted on American society. Hoffmann, who debated Kerry on television in 1971 over Vietnam allegations, denied any ties to Bush or the Republican Party. The Swift boat veterans held differing political and social views, he said. The veterans Tuesday were vociferous in denying they had seen or had participated in wartime atrocities and questioned that if Kerry had indeed observed any, why he didn't report it as he was required to do. One veteran, noting the allegations were again made in a book on Kerry's war experiences, choked back tears as he related how his wife and daughter had read about the alleged war crimes Kerry spoke about in Douglas Brinkley's "Tour of Duty: John Kerry and the Vietnam War" and asked him if he had committed them. Spokesmen for the Kerry campaign were not immediately available for comment Tuesday, but the Democratic National Committee put out a statement attacking the public relations company used by the group as having Republic Party connections. Kerry has admitted a poor choice of words in his testimony before Congress in 1971 but says he served with honor in the war. |
| ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry -> ice.he.net/%7Efreepnet/kerry/ During the next three days, more than 100 Vietnam veterans and 16 civilians gave anguished, emotional testimony describing hundreds of atrocities against innocent civilians in South Vietnam, including rape, arson, torture, murder, and the shelling or napalming of entire villages. The witnesses stated that these acts were being committed casually and routinely, under orders, as a matter of policy. At the height of it, spokesman John Kerry went before the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations to accuse the United States military of committing massive numbers of war crimes in Vietnam. The charges he made shocked and sickened a nation, changed the course of a war and stained the reputation of the American military for decades. But the mass murder of civilians was never American policy in Vietnam. And the Winter Soldier tribunal itself - which John Kerry had helped moderate - turned out to be, in the words of historian Guenter Lewy, packed with pretenders and liars. Massachusetts elected John Kerry to the United States Senate in 1984. Our newest topic is a time line that lays out many of the events of the international war crimes propaganda effort. If you packed a lunch, consider taking a crack at the entire 32-page transcript of John Kerrys testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Check out our unique and growing collection of documents, clips and more . Or save yourself a few hundred bucks, and dig into John Kerrys The New Soldier . If youve been here before, Whats New lists and links our recent updates. In-depth essays are available in Special Features , along with some deeply disturbing early samples of Garry Trudeaus Doonesbury. Several tons of additional information on the war crimes propaganda effort and its relation to the 2004 campaign can be found in our news articles . |