5/3 Controversial Tillman cartoon (i.e., idjut liburals can draw)
http://www.ucomics.com/tedrall
\_ This guy is an idiot, I think most conservatives (and liberals)
would agree.
\_ as a liberal, i agree. however he also can't draw for shit.
personally even if i *like* someone's message(not that i like
this guy's message), if they can't draw for shit they have
not business being on the comics page. Here's a liberal who
actually knows how to draw:
http://www.ucomics.com/boondocks
and another:
http://www.andysinger.com
and another:
http://www.ucomics.com/doonesbury
\_ agreed. A little tact could have gone a long way. -- liberal
\_ It's not only tact. He had the guy saying, "Will I get
to kill Arabs?". This is just plain bad. -another libural
\_ Why? He could have joined the CIA, FBI, or Homeland
Security in order to fight terrorism. He joined the Army
with intent to become a Ranger, who get to play judge,
jury, and executioner on people they feel are terrorists.
\_ No. By the time Rangers or regular 11B's are called in,
someone else has alreday played judge and jury. Even
Spec Ops guys are usually called in only after the big
decisions have been made by some grey-haired guy in an
office.
\_ No. Ranger training is geared towards jump missions
and taking over air ports and other air related
activity. Anything after that falls under standard
special forces training that anyone in the military
can get if they're a notch above the cut.
\_ I don't understand why people have to insult people even
when they do something cool. Why make fun of this guy? Why do
republicans try to tear down Kerry's Vietnam record? It's
petty. Why did Doonsebury try to make fun of Bush's visit to
Iraq? When someone does something cool, let 'em have it.
Sheesh.
\_ The point of contention is that he incessantly portrays
himself as a Vietnam war hero. But you can't have it
both ways - yes he went and deserves credit but his
subsequent actions were despicable, to put it nicely.
\_ How is "despicable" putting it nicely? What sort of hate
filled vitriol would be "calling it as it is"?
\_ You know, the above discussion leads me to believe it's not that
controversial a cartoon -- basically nobody likes it, and they are
all right. Re: republicans trying to tear down Kerry's record, I
think even Limbaugh is giving him due credit. (When was the last
time Bush got credit for anything from the other side? Did he
truly accomplish nothing?)
Perhaps Kerry might have gotten a little bad press about that whole
medal throwing thing, since some people view that as trying to sit
on two stools at once. -- ilyas
\_ What should Bush seriously be given credit for? Afghanistan seems
to be the main thing that most people agreed on. Bush has gotten
a lot of credit in the press about "leadership" with the 9/11
stuff, besides the background rumblings about intelligence
failures, which in the end is true, if the buck stops at the top
then Bush's administration is responsible for failing to prevent
9/11, although obviously not from some egregious personal wrong-
doing. He gets rightfully criticized for foolish political stunts
like the mission accomplished thing. And you can't expect "the
other side" to cheer for republican policy items, although he
is certainly 'given credit' for those. About Iraq, actually I
felt that a lot of people approved of his tough stance towards
Saddam, myself included, however this feeling dissipated when I
watched the subsequent farce unfold.
\_ Don't forget Lybia. If you are an economist of a certain
stripe you also think "tax cuts cause recovery", so you
would probably attribute the recovery to Bush's insistence to
cut, cut, cut. At any rate, it seems pretty clear Bush did
some good. My point is that he gets no credit for the good
he did, which is unfortunate. Actually I think all the
anti-Bush bile is having a counterproductive effect (if you
want to get Bush out of office). -- ilyas
\_ I tend to think of Lybia in the same way I think of the
Berlin Wall coming down: it was in the works, and it was
just a matter of time. For the sitting President to take
responsibility for it is rather disingenuous. And as for
Afghanistan, props to Bush for pursuing the removal of the
Taliban, and props for finding Karzai, but a bakers-
dozen of wtfs for not finishing the Taliban off and for
withdrawing all military and most financial support for
the new govt. Seriously, wtf?
\_ Libya was in the works? In what sense? Do you say the
same for Syria which has just started to cooperate? Will
you say the same for Iran if there's an uprising and
the crazies are kicked out and replaced by some sort of
republic/democracy? The world doesn't get better
without people trying to make it better. Bad people
don't just quietly go away. They need to be threatened
or killed to make changes.
\_ Libya, not Lybia!
\_ I thought it was Libia.
\_ Very true. It's not controversial. It's just bad. Has anyone
seen any interviews with Tillman or the like beforehand? I'd
be surprised that a story like his slipped past sports journal-
ists unnoticed. I'd be very interested to hear Tillman's own
point of view on why he would enlist. As for Bush's accomplish-
ments, the only things I've seen that have approached notability
are things which later proved to be all lip service and no funds
(Education, Jobs Training, AIDS Research, Terrorism Funding,
Military Funding, etc.). Kerry got bad press over throwing
the medals (and just about every single charge of waffling
I've seen) because there are plenty of hack journalists more
than willing to trim stories to fit their talking point du
jour. --scotsman
\_ No, Kerry got bad press because he earned it.
\_ Kerry did significantly more than throw his (actually someone
else's depending on the day of the week) medals over a fence.
He was in the vanguard of leftists undermining of the Vietnam
war effort. He and his ilk are why a free Hanoi subsequently
fell and the millions fled on rafts. All of his treasonous
behavoir is well documented if you would bother to investigate:
http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry
\_ "free Hanoi"? You are a moron.
\_ thanks for adding so much to an otherwise intelligent
discussion. -!the person you're replying to.
\_ huh huh ... you call the above an intelligent
discussion? you are a moron. |