8/23 what's really at stake in iraq:
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/24/opinion/24FRIE.html
\_ NYTimes? With their track record the last few years, you might as
well post something from the National Enquirer. (I didn't read the
link because it doesn't matter what the NYT publishes anymore)
\_ So you're sticking to reputable, unbiased sources like
Washington Times and Fox News then, I'm assuming. Fair
and balanced!
\_ Actually with people like Thomas Friedman and Judith Miller
writing for them the NYTimescan feel like Fox or the
Moonie Times sometimes. Just that no one ever calls the
NYTimes on their bullshit.
\_ That's a decently written editorial with some interesting
points, which, whether you agree with him or not, are
well-argued and well-presented. Regarding the Fox news
comparison, do you rate news sources for the opinions they
present, or for how they present them? I don't know about
you, but I'm more interested in a persuasive, eloquent
argument that I disagree with, than a rah-rah piece of
demagoguery that meshes with my own opinions... -John
\_ Fox TV sounds *exactly* like the NYT to me. It's just
from the opposing view and they don't take themselves
so gravely seriously like the NYT does for some
mysterious reason. Oh yeah, Fox hasn't yet been busted
with multiple flat out ficticious "news reports" unlike
the NYT. I can read opinion on the net without the NYT
filter tainting it.
\_ Well ain't it just peachy then that you have the god-
given right to choose your own news sources. In any
case, that's not a news article, it is an op-ed
piece. And good luck finding something completely
unbiased--if you're not consuming news with a grain
of salt, you've losing out regardless. -John
\_ Summary: Iraq is about culture, but we can't say that because it
doesn't play well on TV. It's an important war to win, on human
rights grounds alone. But Bush has handled this so idiotically--
alienating our allies, trying bear the cost alone while cutting
accelerated production of nuclear weapons, there
taxes domestically, and lying outright about the immediate need
for war-- that we may lose it anyway.
\_ Exactly which allies are those? France, who considers
Iraq their client state? Germany, who sold
Iran their gas centrifuge technology and continually
insulted the President for domestic political gain?
Russia and China which remain Communist states? Please
do explain yourself.
\_ I was going to explain how stupid this person was and
then I saw the he claims Russia is still a Communist
state and realized he has already done my work for me.
\_ All of the same apparitchik remain in power,
the KGB still exists, Putin is KGB, Russia has
accelerated R&D of nuclear weapons, there
is no free press, etc. etc. To repeat, the same
elite holds power but they call themselves something
else. I'd trust the judgement of leaders of
former eastern bloc countries than yours.
\_ How about China? It is a mirror opposite of Russia.
Same party, same people in power, but they've moved to
market economy since mid 1980's. and you call China a
Communist state?
\_ I think China is going for a kind of nationalist
unification of big business and government, which
is what people call fascism.
\_ China's 'aspirations' for political and economic
freedom are transparent in its client state
North Korea.
\_ They haven't moved to a market economy. They have
some of the highest barriers to entry in the world.
The whole thing is a giant state owned business. Can
I get some of that shit you're smoking? |
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