8/21    Amazing how fast "old Europe" and the "irrelevant UN"
        are being asked to help shoulder the Bush Admin mistakes:
        http://csua.org/u/3zs
        \_ ?? What's this have to do with the Jews murdering babies in
           Palestine and drinking their blood in their Jew rituals??
        \_ UN is dying to get back in the game, become relevent again.
        \_ how about, "it's damned expensive to do it alone, I'll get these
           UN doofuses to send troops, and we'll still retain ultimate
           authority"
           \_ Yes. That's why I think that the UN and all those countries
              that were opposed to US actions in Iraq should not involved.
              Let the US and Bush's admininistration pay the price of
              their unilaterality.
              \_ The UN is there.  Or *was* there until they got blown up.  Now
                 they'll leave and not come back and teach the killers that
                 they've got no spin and can get anything they want with a few
                 bombs and a score of dead.  Stupid, stupid, stupid.
        \_ "Mommy, what's the EU?"  "Honey, it's sorta like the USA except
            they're more stuck up about it." --1d93d050106585ca20a36ff620fb02e1
            \_ "Daddy, what does 'regret' mean?"  "Well son, its better to
               regret something you have done, than to regret something you
               haven't done.  And by the way, if you see your mom this
               morning, would be sure and tell her...SATAN! SATAN! SATAN!"
               \_ you are my hero.
               \_ What's that from?
                  \_ if you cant find it on google, one answer is: Orbital.
                     \_ Orbital sampled it from one of the more strange
                        Butthole Surfers albums.
         \_ it's like the USA except they believe in godless darwinist
            evolution
        \_ I don't have any problem with the UN being there proving a nice
           soft fat easy distracting target so real Americans are less likely
           to get killed.  Are you one of the morons that thinks the Iraqi
           people were better off with Saddam?
           \_ Are you one of those nitwits that believes Saddam posed an
              imminent danger?
              \_ Are you one of the morons that thinks the Iraqi people were
                 better off with Saddam?  I said nothing about imminent danger.
                 You refuse to answer a simple qustion because it doesn't jive
                 with your dogma.  The answer is obviously, "No, the Iraqi
                 people were not better off with Saddam".  Thank you for not
                 playing.
                 \_ So we went to this war for this reason? Are you joking?
                    Half of the world probably thinks they're worse off under
                    their current rulers and Saddam's regime in the 80s was
                    just one of the many tiranical regimes that US supported
                    around the world. This would not stand as a legimate
                    reason for a war from the point of view of most Americans.
                    It's only now being used as a lame excuse to distract
                    people's attention from the fact that the Iraq's WMD
                    threat still hasn't been proven.
              \_ Who's calling me a nitwit?  Saddam was an EVIL man, and
                 history will show we made the right decion. -Dubya
              \_ And do you know no history that might always make right
                 and history is written by the victors?
                 \_ This nation acted to a threat from the dictator of Iraq.
                    Now, there are some who would like to rewrite history;
                    "revisionist historians" is what I like to call them.
                    -Dubya
                    \_ this is one of my alltime favorite W quotes.
                    \_ isn't California used to be Mexican?
           \_ Are you one of the dipshits that pretend they actually give a
              shit about the Iraqi people?
              \_ Unlike you, I actually do.  I assumed there was no real threat
                 from Iraq but was perfectly happy to see the US invade because
                 I firmly believe a tragic error was made in 1991 by *not*
                 going in and finishing them off when the people were with us.
                 \_ The person above, I believe, was referring to this
                    administration, not to mention others before it.  Do you
                    honestly believe that this country would ever use its
                    military force for humanitarian reasons?  Have we ever?
                    Mind you, this is totally separate from the question of
                    "should we?".
                 \_ Bush Sr.'s assertion is that the coalition in 1991 would
                    not accept pushing to Baghdad.  The mission the Arab
                    countries signed up for was to liberate Kuwait, not to
                    depose Iraq.  I suspect this is why Bush Jr. is easy
                    to rile up when it comes to "revisionist historians".
           \_ um, do you think the Iraqi's are better off right now? At least
              before, there was an infrastructure and security. people had
              jobs. now they get theird foods from trucks. do you really think
              the iraqi's are better off right now? if your goal is the long
              term welfare of the iraqi's, there were MUCH better solutions
              for the kind of money the US is pouring into Iraq. With that kind
              of money, you could easily finance a revolution, for example.-ali
           \_ who cares about the Iraqi people!   The Iraqi oil is MUCH better
              off without Saddam.
              \_ Get it off your chest.  I'm sure ranting is more fun for you
                 than actually debating anything.  When you've calmed down and
                 grown up, please come back.  Some of us would like to talk
                 with you in a mature way about adult topics.
                 \_ I love this.  This is the Standard Motd Chestnut!  Its
                    always phrased in exactly the same way, with a slight
                    change of words each time...which leads me to believe
                    its the same person every time.  !op