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2003/8/9-11 [Computer/HW/CPU] UID:29294 Activity:moderate
8/10    I just build a AMD2500+ computer and overall I'm pretty happy with
        it. However it seems to output a lot more heat than my P4. Is this
        normal?
        \_ yes AMD cpus consume more power and run hotter
        \_ I hope you're not settling for a stock fan, and you have at least
           2-3 case fans.
                \_ 2 blowing in (with filter), 2 blowing out, and 1
                   circulating inside. It's still pretty... warm. Is it
                   mostly from the CPU? My MB has a fan for its chipset,
                   my AMD has a huge ass heat sink with fan, and even my
                   ATI All-In-Wonder Card has a fan.
                        Actually I'm kind of disappointed now with the
                   power consumption. Do AMD & Intel publish their power
                   (wattage) somewhere?
                   \_ Exhaust fans are generally more effective than
                      fans blowing in. I think it has to do with turbulence
                      fans blowing in. I think it has to do with turbulence
                      vs lamnar air flow. to get the heat out. AMD CPU's
                      chips are hotter.
                      vs lamnar air flow. to get the heat out.
                      \- hello, it's perhaps not intuitively obvious but
                         this is a case where you dont want completely
                         laminar flow. the pressure differential you can
                         achive is linear in air flow and exponential in
                         a factor based on turbulence. this is why some
                         fans have non-smooth blades to increase turbulence.
                         mirco design issues [like fan blade shape] as well
                         as macro ones [location of fans and components
                         demending on their heat properties ... tolerance
                         and production] is a big design problem. i used to
                         work on modeling flows at IBM Almaden. so in
                         disk drived you want laminar flow to avoid platter
                         vibration and for cooling you wanted more turb flow
                         for greater heat capacity. it's a pretty cool [NPI]
                         area to see real applications of theory/math. --psb
                         \_ Wow, interesting! Thanks.
                            \_ Did you design anything we would have heard
                               of or used?
                               \- I worked mostly on models and design tools
                                  [first doing what you might call conservation
                                  law drivien aggregate calculations and then
                                  describing the components in sort of a
                                  black box fashion only exposing the char-
                                  acteristics relevant to thermal modeling
                                  from where you'ld sort of interatively
                                  converge on a couple of designs you'ld
                                  evaluate in greater depth]. BTW, this isnt
                                  a bad WEEB pg on this: http://csua.org/u/3w6
                                  BTW, this was written in a pretty crazy
                                  way ... it was all controlled by some codes
                                  in common lisp, which built some stuff in
                                  C but also used the c pre-processor to
                                  build some fortran codes from some canned
                                  parallel libraries for some special big
                                  machines at livermore. --psb
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A propeller converts torque from the motor to increase static pressure across the fan rotor and to increase the kinetic energy of the air particles. The motors are typically permanent split capacitor AC induction motors or brushless DC motors. Types of Fans and Blowers Air moving devices are generally described as being either a type of fan (Fig. The main difference between fans and blowers is in their flow and pressure characteristics. Fans deliver air in an overall direction that is parallel to the fan blade axis and can be designed to deliver a high flow rate, but tend to work against low pressure. Blowers tend to deliver air in a direction that is perpendicular to the blower axis at a relatively low flow rate, but against high pressure. Propeller fans are the simplest type of fan, consisting of only a motor and propeller. One problem with propeller fans is that tip vortices are produced by the pressure differential across the airfoil section. A tube axial fan (the most common type in electronic cooling systems) is similar to a propeller fan, but also has a venturi around the propeller to reduce the vortices. The vane axial fan has vanes that trail behind the propeller in the airflow to straighten the swirling flow created as the air is accelerated. Centrifugal blowers may have a forward curved wheel, a backward curved wheel, or be of the squirrel cage variety. Basic Aerodynamics Fans are of such common use that a basic understanding of the aerodynamics is appropriate. This understanding begins with the recognition that the blades of a fan propeller resemble the wing of an airplane, and as such follow the same aerodynamic laws. For example, a fan blade produces lift when the chord is elevated from the direction of the relative wind as shown in Figure 2. The greatest airflow delivery from a fan occurs when the AOA is at a minimum, but the pressure differential across the fan is zero. As the AOA is increased, the airflow delivery decreases and the pressure differential increases. The airflow can decrease to nearly zero, but will also deliver the maximum pressure differential in this condition, which is called the shut-off point. When an AOA is reached where the air will no longer flow smoothly and begins to separate from the blades, an "aerodynamic stall" condition exists. Since a fan is a constant volume machine, it will move the same volumetric flow rate of air irrespective of the air density. However, the mass flow rate does change as the density changes. This becomes important when equipment is expected to operate at altitudes significantly greater than sea level. Therefore the volumetric flow rate required at altitude (low density air) will be greater than that required to achieve the same cooling as at sea level. The Fan Curve All of the aerodynamic aspects of a fan are exhibited in a fan curve such as is shown in Figure 3. 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This "operating point" is determined by the intersection of the fan static pressure curve and the system pressure curve. Figure 3 illustrates the operating points of both high and low resistance systems. It is best to select a fan that will give an operating point being toward the high flow, low pressure end of the performance curve to maintain propeller efficiency and to avoid propeller stall. Each particular electronic packaging system should be analyzed for possible reduction in the overall resistance to airflow. Other considerations, such as available space and power, noise, reliability, and operating environment should also be brought to bear on fan choice. Steps to Fan Selection Estimate the required airflow Before selecting a fan, obtain as accurate an estimate as possible of the heat to be dissipated, because the overall system air temperature differential above the inlet ambient is directly proportional to the heat dissipated. It is then possible to estimate the amount of required cooling air. The experimental procedure can be used to measure the total airflow for specific fans or several pressure-airflow data pairs can be measured to develop a complete system resistance curve. The latter experimental method will then require the Engineer to superimpose the selected fan pressure vs. The airflow network procedure provides adequate results when the geometry is simple and the flow path within the cabinet is known or a rough estimate can be made. In many practical applications, however, the Designer deals with complex three dimensional flow paths that are not known from the very first instance. The fan performance curve can be supplied as an input to the CFD software and the software system allowed to determine the operating point and system resistance. CFD works by numerically solving the governing equations of flow and heat transfer in three dimensions and takes into account the effects of turbulence and gravity. CFD can be used to study the performance of fans in series and parallel arrangements as well as optimize the location with respect to other objects inside the cabinet. Both of the computational procedures require a static pressure vs. Irrespective of which method is chosen to estimate the system airflow, all packaging systems are characterized by a system resistance curve of the type shown in Figure 3. System resistance curves may usually be expressed as a non-linear expression of pressure vs. Should it fail to provide an answer a different fan or perhaps even multiple fans should be considered. The search for a different fan is a simple matter of reviewing the catalogs of the various fan vendors. The consideration of multiple fans is a little more complex. 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