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| 2003/6/28 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Immigration] UID:28853 Activity:very high |
6/27 Landmark Studies Reveal Virtually All Of California's Population
Explosion Due To Immigration
http://www.capsweb.org/newsroom/press_releases/landmark_studies.html
Could it be that this is somehow related to the 30$ + billion
deficit?
\_ most states are having budget crisis now. compare to states
without immigration in large numbers or your hated democratic
governer. Most states had lots of money a few years ago
when the economy was doing well. They spent rather than saved
because that's what 99% of all politicians do, and now we all
pay the price. I live in a state with a fiscally conservative
republican govorner and no population growth for the last 10 years,
and we're totally fucked right now(well, ok, not as fucked as CA.)
\_ Maybe that "not as fucked as CA" part is the difference between
having an (R) vs a (D) in office.
\_ I'm sure there are alot of reasons, but mainly our bubble
wasn't as big a few years ago, so it didn't pop as hard.
Besides, this is just a small state (CT). BTW, Rowland is
currently under investigation for curruption.
\_ Or could it be the cause of our ever growing economy?
More people spend more money
\_ And pay more taxes.
\_ Ah, the inevitable "blame it on the immigrants" troll. Didn't
we get enough of this with Wilson?
\_ How is this a troll? I don't agree with the person, but it
seems like a reasonable attempt to discuss the issues.
\_ now this one is a better troll.
\_ Uh oh, someone said something you don't agree with! It
must be a troll! How dare anyone have an opinion or
espouse a political philosophy different from yours?
Diversity in opinion and thought is ok as long as every
one believes what you believe, eh?
\_ Uh, Wilson was against *ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS* not immigrants
in general. Illegal immigration was and still is a problem.
\_ No, that's due to Davis spending billions that we didn't have on
energy futures.
\_ And various give aways to special interests on the left such as
the prison guard unions and big acre farmers.
\_ I knew it! Those big landowners are all secretly communists,
right? Have you completely lost your mind? Prison guards
are another group of well known anarchists and socialists.
\_ Nice dodge but no cigar. Maybe next time you'll do better
at completely ducking the point, eh?
\_ Y'all rekon them furiners ain't payin' 'nof taxes compare to us
pau native folk?
\_ Because everyone to your right on the political spectrum is
obviously a backwoods southern hick stereotype. If you can't
debate them, insult and smear them. Very Clintonesque of you.
Hillary would be proud.
\_ Its a fricking joke. Do I have to add j/k after
my jokes so that people like you won't overreact?
(BTW, Buchanan-ites are probably the only people
further right on the political spectrum than me)
\_ Fuck you.
\_ You're on the motd; yes you do.
\_ well, it's better than deleting the thread. no matter how
annoying you find someones blather, you should admit that
they are above the untouchable scum mother**ckers we call
"motd censors." Besides, Clinton *was* a southern hick
stereotype. Can you name one instance in Bill Clinton's
carreer when he used stereotyping smear tactics? I just
saw him in an inteview saying that he thought trent lott
had been the victim of an unfair smear campaign. I'm pretty
sure you'll never hear bush say that about a democrat.
\_ Read just about any Hillary speech. Start with the VRWC
stuff and work your way forward.
\_ And *how* was this not a troll again?
\_ And again *how* is it possible for anyone who has different
political opinions from yours to *not* be a troll? I think
you're a new form of a troll. You're a meta-troll. You troll
about trolling.
\_ The older you get, the more you will realize idiots are ruining
our country for ours as well as future generations. -ax
\_ Yes. Who did you vote for the last several elections? Very few
of the candidates I voted for made it. And do you also vote in
the midterm elections? If you don't vote you don't count.
\_ The Federalists said the same thing about Jefferson. The
Confederates said the same thing about the Republicans.
\_ http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=5271
The National Research Council found that in California, ... each
native household is paying about $1,178 a year in state and local
taxes to cover the gap between the services used by immigrant
households and their tax receipts.
\_ yeah, give Texas and the southern states back so that the native
north american people don't have to be called illegal immigrants,
and whose quality of life has eroded steadily since 1492.
\_ You know nothing about native americans or how they lived.
\_ What the illegal immigrant haters always forget is that those tax
dollars are more than offset by the incredibly cheap prices we
pay for fruits, vegetables and grains harvested by the ultra
cheap labor that illegal immigration makes possible. No American
citizen is willing to work for $5000 to $7000 dollars a year, yet
in order for you to pay the price that you want at the grocery
store, someone must do it. The next time you eat a strawberry,
think about the life of the person that picked it. Have you ever
picked strawberries for any length of time? Do you know how
backbreaking it can be? Now think about doing that for 12 hour
days, three months at a stretch, with no healthcare and no bathroom
breaks.
\_ Kick them all out and patrol the border properly and we'll have
safer streets, fewer prisons, and less disease. The tax savings
will more than make up for what might be a few pennies saved on
a basket of strawberries picked by criminals.
\_ next time you eat a strawberry, consider that some poor
illegal immigrant peed on it because he couldn't have a
bathroom break |
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| www.capsweb.org/newsroom/press_releases/landmark_studies.html Virtually 100% of California's population explosion between 1990 and 2000 (and continuing through 2002) was the result of a massive inflow of immigrants and births to immigrants, not from internal growth, according to two separate studies commissioned by Californians for Population Stabilization (CAPS), a non-profit group dedicated to stricter management of the state's population size. According to authors of the studies, that growth is greater than the combined increase in population of all the northeastern states from Maine to Virginia during that same period. Demographers project that if the same rate of growth continues, California's population will double in just 40 years. Native-born residents (those residing in the state prior to 1990) decreased by about 100,000 and this was not compensated for by other Americans moving to California. CAPS commissioned two separate studies of population growth factors in California in order to ensure the accuracy of the findings. The two studies used slightly different sets of data, with both arriving at conclusions that differed by only 2%. Bouvier based his study on data supplied by the California Department of Finance. Environmental analyst Dick Schneider did the second study. He combined state statistics with information from the Census Bureau, the former Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) and existing research on domestic migration. The first step in fixing any problem is determining the cause, which we have now established conclusively. Now it's up to Californians to have the courage to address this growth crisis head-on," Hull concluded. One of CAPS' primary tenets is that the vast majority of California's myriad problems can be attributed to over-immigration. Traffic congestion, schools, the water crisis and the state's record $37 billion budget shortfall have all emerged according to the group because there are too many people for the state's now beleaguered resources. According to CAPS, the crisis in which California finds itself today is just the beginning of a population nightmare that will continue to worsen unless immigration is slowed considerably or brought to a halt. Copies of the studies may be obtained by contacting Diana Hull at 805-564-6626 or downloaded in pdf format 19 California's Population Growth 1990-2002: Virtually All From Immigration. ABOUT CALIFORNIANS FOR POPULATION STABILIZATION (CAPS): Californians for Population Stabilization (CAPS) is a non-profit organization dedicated to formulating and advancing policies and programs designed to stabilize the population of California at a level which will preserve a good quality of life for all Californians. He taught at Georgetown University and the University of Rhode Island. House of Representatives Select Committee on Population and later to the Select Commission on Immigration and Refugee Policy. He retired from the Population Reference Bureau in 1986 and became a Senior Fellow at the Center for Immigration Studies, Washington, DC. Bouvier has served as a consultant to numerous concerned environmental and population organizations such as the Sierra Club, Negative Population Growth and the Carrying Capacity Network. He is one of the founders of Floridians for a Sustainable Population. Bouvier is Visiting Professor of Sociology at Old Dominion University in Norfolk, VA. He is also Adjunct Associate Professor of Demography at Tulane University School of Public Health and Tropical Medicine, New Orleans, Louisiana. Bouvier has published extensively in the field of Demography. Population, Immigration, and the Environment (Sierra Club Books 1994), Peaceful Invasions: Immigration and Changing America (University Press of America 1992), Fifty Million Californians (Center for Immigration Studies, 1991), Florida in the 21st Century: The Challenge of Population Growth (Center for Immigration Studies 1993), Immigration and Social Diversity(Walker Pub. Dick Schneider Dick Schneider is an environmental writer, policy analyst and activist. His graduate work focused on the effects of acid rain and metals pollution on high altitude lakes of the Sierra Nevada and Rocky Mountains. He helped establish the first acid rain monitoring station on the western slope of the Rocky Mountains in the late 1970s. Schneider was Conservation Chair of the Sierra Club San Francisco Bay Chapter and led passage of an Alameda countywide open space protection initiative. Since 1995, he has chaired the Sierra Club Bay Chapter Population Committee and frequently lectures on the role of population growth in degrading natural ecosystems and eroding the quality of life. He serves on the Board of Trustees of The Head-Royce School in Oakland, California, is a director of the Bay Area Transportation and Land Use Coalition, and co-authored Toxics A to Z: A Guide to Everyday Pollution Hazards (University of California Press). A Behavioral Scientist trained in Demography, she is a retired Clinical Associate Professor, Baylor College of Medicine, Department of Psychiatry, Houston, Texas. She is a former member of the Sierra Club's Population Committee and the Southern California Demographic Forum. She wrote, "Hispanic Press at the Southern Borders of the United States" as the American contributor to a book on international migration published by Verlag (Switzerland). Her research on the health effects of changed environments on individuals and groups has been published in Social Science and Medicine, Psychological Review, International Journal of Psychosomatic Research and many other journals. She was a founding member of both the Media Division and the Health Division of the American Psychological Association and is a member of the University of California at Santa Barbara Foundation Board of Trustees (emeritus). She has contributed opinion pieces on immigration-related subjects to the print media for the past decade and to the Knight Ridder News Service and appeared on numerous TV and radio programs across the country as a spokesperson for population stabilization. Hull is currently President of Californians for Population Stabilization. |
| www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=5271 Although the evidence suggests that immigration, both legal and illegal, is fueling the rapid growth in state spending on social services, this issue is almost entirely absent from the debate. It is well established that recent immigrants use more in services than they pay in taxes, particularly to state and local governments. The National Research Council, a branch of the prestigious National Academy of Sciences, estimates the net fiscal cost of immigration ranges from $11 billion to $22 billion per year, with most government expenditures on immigrants coming from state and local coffers, while most taxes paid by immigrants go to the federal treasury. This is the result of the relatively low level of tax payments by immigrants, because they are disproportionately low-skilled and thus earn low wages, and a higher rate of consumption of government services, both because of their relative poverty and their higher fertility. Mexican immigrants, who comprise the vast majority of immigrants to Texas, use food stamps at nearly twice the rate of native-born Americans and collect an average welfare payment that is 20 percent higher than those recipients. The National Research Council found that in California, which has endured a similar flood of Mexican immigration as Texas, each native household is paying about $1,178 a year in state and local taxes to cover the gap between the services used by immigrant households and their tax receipts. Although Texas was not included in this study, there is no reason to think the reality is any different here. Indeed, during the last three years, the Harris County Hospital District alone spent $330 million to treat and immunize illegal immigrants, estimated to be at least 20 percent of their indigent caseload. The District covers this expense through its escalating tax burden on local taxpayers and through cost-shifting to Medicaid and insured patients. The District provides not only emergency care to illegal immigrants, but also a full range of elective services, even access to its fertility clinic that is not included in the health plan for District employees. While the 700,000 illegal immigrants in Texas are only eligible for welfare if they have worked for at least ten years or received asylum, they receive free health care, food stamps, education, and nearly all other government services. Since 1987, the Texas Medicaid budget has grown 500 percent, due in large part to increased enrollment, much of it undoubtedly the result of immigration. The growth in state health care spending is just one example of how immigration is contributing to the budget shortfall. All of the school districts in South Texas receive Robin Hood recapture payments. Although these districts would likely be poor regardless of current levels of immigration, they would not be experiencing such large growth in their enrollments. It is this growth that is responsible for the budget crises in both urban and suburban districts that are being forced to send more and more of their local tax revenues to the state, leaving them unable to meet the needs of their own students. Immigration is also a major factor in the population growth that is responsible for growing traffic congestion and pollution in Texas' major cities. Ultimately, the Legislature's sensitivity to public opinion is likely to forestall a general tax increase this session, but that may come at the expense of vital funding for transportation and higher education, as well as Robin Hood relief. Unfortunately, even though the state bears most of the cost of immigration, it is virtually powerless to control it because it is the constitutional responsibility of the federal government. Until Washington fortifies border enforcement to stop illegal immigration and reduces the number of unskilled legal immigrants, Texans will pay for the consequences, whether in higher taxes or the crowding out of important government services. While immigrants continue to contribute much to Texas and the nation, if we attempt to absorb all of the many millions of indigent people throughout the world, we will sacrifice the very quality of life that has led so many people to come here. |