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2003/6/25-26 [Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:28840 Activity:high
6/25    http://csua.org/u/3dc
        The European Union crazies try to turn the world upside down!  This is
        great stuff.  It's so funny watching them destroy themselves.
        \_ Please shorten your url using http://csua.org/u
           \_ And surrender my god given right to motd anonymity?
                \_ then use tinyurl.  It is faster and works better anyway.
        \_ That's simply infantile and self-destructive everyday stuff.  The
           thing that's _really_ worrisome is the EU's fairly quick knuckling-
           under to US State Dept. rules "suggested" for non-US governments
           that require things like biometric identifiers in all forms of
           ID and passports, automatic handover of data on all airline
           passengers to the US the moment they leave the ground, and the
           placement of US customs agents in European ports.  If you're just
           looking for the usual silly shit, search for regulations dealing
           with the curvature of bananas and the likes.  -John
           \_ Biometrics?  Nothing wrong with that.  The current ID systems
              are so worthless that identify theft has become common place,
              destroying the lives of the victims.  Automated handover of who
              is on a flight to the US?  Uhm, hello?  So what?  And what's
              wrong with Americans screening visitors to America?  Give up
              the Swiss passport and return home before you're completely
              brainwashed.
              \_ Wow, you're calling John brainwashed? Just wow.
                 \_ Yes.  I knew him when he was an American and didn't spend
                    half his posts talking about his Swiss passport.
                 \_ Don't you have to have a brain to be brainwashed?
           \_ there are no EU regulations concerning the curvature of
              bananas.  -crebbs
              \_ http://www.quebecoislibre.org/020119-6.htm
                 \_ That's great. My statement stands.  The fact that some
                    media (or in this case some interest group) reports
                 \_ That's great. My statement stands. At the risk of having
                    been trolled, I will attempt some education:  That some
                    media (or in this case some political group) reports
                    something doesn't make it so.  I notice that page refers
                    to other specific EU regulation numbers when mentioning
                    other (presumably real) silly Euro rules, but does not
                    be that there are not regulations concerning the curvature
                    of bananas?

                    (surprise surprise) mention the regulation when referring
                    to the banana thing.  That would be (in case you missed it)
                    because there aren't any. -crebbs
        \_ So I take it you are in favor of demeaning women and offending
           human dignity, is that it?
           \_ Hi troll!  Yes, I am.  I'm also in favor of more hot chicks on
              page 3 and eliminating actuarial tables so the insurance industry
              is destroyed and no one has any insurance anymore.  Or maybe the
              government can insure all the citizens and pay for it with a tax
              increase.  I'm guessing that raising taxes by 40% should do it.
              \_ Dona botta me mang, Imma onna da dole! 40% of nutin is nutin.
                 \_ We can tax your unemployment.
              \_ Oh, that poor fragile highly profitable insurance industry!
                 They'd never stoop to taking goverment handouts if they
                 were about to lose money for a quarter!
                 \_ You're an idiot.  I don't know about Europe but in the US
                    the insurance companies take a bath everytime there's an
                    earthquake, flood, or hurricane.  If it wasn't for Federal
                    help, there'd be no insurance companies.
              \_ So I am a troll for responding to your troll... Uh huh.
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Page Three girls face veto from Brussels feminists By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard in Brussels and Tom Leonard (Filed: 25/06/2003) Advertisements that affront "human dignity" by demeaning women would be prohibited under proposals being drafted by the European Commission. Television programmes would also be censored to ensure there was no promotion of gender stereotypes. The plans, still in their infancy, are already provoking bitter dispute in Brussels and were described by one commission official yesterday as "lunatic". The proposals, which need the approval of the college of 20 commissioners before being put forward as a draft law, would force insurance companies to offer the same rates for pension annuities and car insurance regardless of gender, overriding the actuarial data used to calculate risk. Tabloid newspaper "Page Three" pictures would also be threatened. Most forms of gender discrimination - either for or against women - would become illegal, affecting welfare benefits, education and health insurance. But plans to ban London gentlemen's clubs have been abandoned as a step too far. The proposals were drafted by the European Union's employment and social affairs directorate, known in Brussels as one of the last outposts of "unreconstructed" 1970s Leftists. It is headed by Anna Diamantopoulou, Greece's socialist commissioner and an ardent feminist. But EU diplomats say she is a model of moderation compared to her top civil servant, Odile Quintin, viewed as a champion of France's militant trade unions. The driving force behind the proposal is Barbara Helfferich, a German feminist who was head of the European Women's Forum before joining Mrs Diamantopoulou's cabinet in charge of "gender equality". Fierce resistance is already building in the free-market wing of the European Commission, led by Italy's Mario Monti and Holland's Frits Bolkestein, who are in charge of competition policy and the single market. One official said: "This goes to the heart of insurance company business, which is to discriminate on the basis of actuarial data. Media regulators in Britain claimed yesterday that "human dignity" was already accorded sufficient respect in the existing rules for advertising and programmes. The Independent Television Commission, which polices standards of both programmes and commercials, said its own codes appeared to cover the same ground as the planned European Union legislation. It insisted that advertisers and programme makers had to be allowed creative freedom and to be able to use humour, even if it meant creating stereotypes that some found offensive. Mrs Diamantopoulou has so far succeeded in pushing through legislation such as a "Vibrations Directive" limiting the time farmers can spend on tractors and a "Noise Directive" restricting decibel levels in the workplace. If the new proposals are endorsed by the commission they will still need the assent of the European Parliament and EU governments under majority voting. John Mildenhall, managing director of the advertising agency TBWA, said any such regulation would meet with "massive resistance from advertisers and advertising agencies". He predicted that it would lead to greater "sterilisation" of the portrayal of women in advertising. "Advertising is unrealistic enough as it is in reflecting what women really talk about," he said. Recent research by TBWA found that the American series Sex and the City, in which women talk explicitly about sex, was the closest approximation on television of the conversations young women have together.
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MUSINGS BY MADDOCKS FISHY BUSINESS IN THE EUROPEAN UNION by Ralph Maddocks In the past I have written of the strange output of the Brussels bureaucratic machine which operates the European Union. There have been regulations regarding the acceptable curvature of a banana, about permissible levels of odour in offices and other elements introduced by this exponentially growing bureaucracy. To this cornucopia of unusual regulations there can be added many others, most of them equally senseless. For example, there are regulations governing the sizes of peaches. The regulation took no account of poor harvests such as that of 1997/98. According to EC REGULATION 2335/99, smaller peaches can be sold in the winter months! The Co-op (an older form of British supermarket) declared war on Eurocrats over this, announcing that it would sell illegal undersized fruit. The Co-op says that the size requirement discriminates against organic peaches. 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