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2003/6/24 [Computer/SW/Database, Computer/SW/Security, Reference/Law/Visa] UID:28824 Activity:high
6/24    Oh god.  I wish the EU (useless bunch of poltroons) would get at
        least a semblance of a backbone.
        http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/55/31380.html
        Does anyone know more about new biometric passports the US is supposed
        to be issuing?  I'd frankly much rather deal with the hassle of a
        visa with my Swiss passport than submit to this.  -John
        \_ Maybe it's just me, but John seems to talk about his Swiss passport
           pretty frequently.
        \_ Biometrics are such a huge mistake.  No one seems to be addressing
           the issue that if your biometrics are compromised, there is no way to
           issue new ID--well, without replacing your eyes.  -emarkp
           \_ Hm?  Perhaps I'm misunderstanding the process:  you have an ID
              or passport with your retinal scan/fingerprints on it.  They
              scan your ID, compare it to a db of such things, and then you
              put your eye/hand to the scanner and verify that you are who
              the system says you are.  Are you saying that someone could
              hack the db and sub their own particulars for yours and so take
              your bank account?  If so, you now have their fingerprints /
              ret. scan on file-- should be fairly easy to find the duplicates
              in the system and arrest the perp.
              \_ No, if someone else can ID themself with your biometrics or
                 subvert the system somehow, you're screwed.  You can't get
                 different biometrics. -emarkp
                 \_ What are we talking here?  Fake fingerprint gloves?
                    False retinal scan contacts?  Not saying it can't be done
                    but quite a stretch, no?
                    \_ Actually it's quite easy to fake out the fingerprint
                       thing. The retinal scans can be horribly difficult
                       obtain accurately at times. The real problem is identity
                       theft and proving that it wasn't you who shifted your
                       bank account/stock portfolio/real estate to party X.
                       VERY tough to dispute.
                        \_ I fail to see how biometrics makes this worse;
                           right now you're being authenticated on your
                           signature, which is way easier to forge than
                           even the simplest biometric.  -tom
                           \_ It's not worse. It makes id theft much more
                              difficult. I'm more for dual source
                              authentication. Bio + PIN. However, businesses
                              might make it much harder to dispute id theft
                              and make corrections since it is technically so
                              difficult. I fear an overreliance on tech.
                              \_ I think this has less to do with tech, and
                                 more to do with the nature of big business
                                 and bureaucracy.  Bureaucracy and silly
                                 overhead happen just fine without any
                                 technology at all.  What you'd hope is that
                                 intelligent policies will be put into place
                                 to deal with situations that the tech makes
                                 'unlikely'.
        \_ You'll submit and you'll like it.
           \_ Grey matter! Grey matter!
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EU backs biometric passports By 41 John Leyden Published Monday 23rd June 2003 20:14 GMT European Union governments last week agreed to embed computer chips containing biometric data in passports. The plans to create passports carrying information on a person's fingerprint or retinal scans are presented as a way to reduce counterfeiting and fraud. Biometric chips would also be implanted in visas issued to foreign nationals travelling to Europe. The idea, backed by EUR140m in EU funding for a feasibility study, was put forward as part of a raft of measures designed to "co-ordinate the European Union's immigration policy" at a summit in Greece last week. The US is the main driver for biometric passports, the International Herald Tribune 42 reports. A European Commission official told the paper that EU governments are bound by a timetable set out by the US government after September 11. Under the US Enhanced Border Security and Visa Entry Reform Act of 2002, countries whose citizens enjoy visa-free travel to the United States "must issue passports with biometric identifiers no later than Oct. Privacy activists are 43 concerned about the lack of openness by governments on what data the chip might contain. If our own 44 Home Secretary and Foreign Secretary are anything to go by, European governments are unlikely to pay much heed to such concerns. Leaps and bounds Biometric technology is developing apace. This month, a security specialist from BT's research arm BTExact showed us a prototype of a biometric passport. The sample, which he obtained through attending a conference on biometrics, contained details of his fingerprints within a chip with a hologram picture of his face embossed on same sheet within a passport. It's unclear when biometric passports for Europeans will be introduced but signs are it will be far earlier than the 45 2006 introduction the UK Passport Service was talking about last year. Meanwhile there's no talk yet about any insistence about biometric passports for Americans travelling to Europe. External Links 46 Links to documents from the summit, via Statewatch Related Stories 47 Public opposes ID cards, govt admits 48 Blunkett to intro UK ID cards, via 25 passport tax 49 Too many Watch Lists - Congress 50 Flying to the US?