6/19 Some places still live in the 10th century not the 21st:
http://abcnews.go.com/wire/World/ap20030619_535.html#
\_ At least she doesn't have to consummate the marriage.
\_ now I wish I had a good link to a school board fighting
the teaching of godless evolution in our schools.
\_ Why do you call it godless evolution? In what
ways does evolution invalidate the concept of
supreme divinity?
\_ Evolution is in Genesis, unfortuately, after each
of these verses, the bible contradicts itself and says
that God created this stuff, but that's to be expected
from a work that was complied from many different oral
sources:
And he said: Let the earth bring forth the green herb, and
such as may seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after
its kind, which may have seed in itself upon the earth. And
it was so done.
And the earth brought forth the green herb, and such as
yieldeth seed according to its kind, and the tree that
beareth fruit having seed each one according to its kind.
And God saw that it was good.
God also said: Let the waters bring forth the creeping
creature having life, and the fowl that may fly over the
earth under the firmament of heaven.
And God created the great whales, and every living and
moving creature, which the waters brought forth, according
to their kinds, and every winged fowl according to its
kind. And God saw that it was good.
And God said: Let the earth bring forth the living
creature in its kind, cattle and creeping things, and
beasts of the earth, according to their kinds. And it was
so done.
\_ All that's saying is that ducks will give birth to more
ducks and not to trees or monkeys. It has not in any way
contradicted itself.
\_ What is needed is a definition of creation (as performed
by a supreme divinity) before we can argue whether there
are contradictions.
\_ You forgot about the part where it says God did it all
in seven days. This is what gets most of the holy rollers
in conflict with science.
indeterminate amount of time. so 7 days is not necessarily
7 of our days.
\_ actually, a jewish science teacher explains his
reconciliation like this: apparently, the word "day"
used in the original hebrew or whatever is sort of an
indeterminate amount of time. so 7 days is not
necessarily 7 of our days.
to evolution while theology pointed away from it. Over time
I've come to conclude that evolution is really orthogonal to
creation, and while I still have my questions about evolution
(macro evolution and abiogenesis primarily--though evolution
proper doesn't address abiogenesis) I don't really doubt it
anymore. It doesn't affect the core issues of Christianity.
-emarkp
\_ sure, redefine the terms whenever things don't
work out...
\_ I'm sure that all historical documents were
written in the past with an understanding of how
the meaning of words would change in the future so
they'd have our modern meaning. Makes sense.
\_ Are there cultures or peoples whose definition
of the period of time encompassed by a day is
grossly different than ours?
\_ I meant linguistically not culturally.
\_ in addition to the above post, God allegedly created
the sun on what, like the 5th or 6th day or something?
So how could you even hope to meassure the notion of a
day before this unless you use some rationale like the
above. - ! religious
\_ funny how he said "let there be light" several
"days" before he created the sun.
\_ It is possible to have light without the sun.
\_ yep. the 3K blackbody radiation is
technically light. in the young days
of the universe, that would have to have
been alot hotter, and hence a much
higher peak frequency.
\_ when you have your head up your ass, is
there light up there?
\_ I take it this means you can't dispute
my claim that the sun is not strictly
required for there to be light.
\_ That's unfair! How dare you point out
his stupidity and ignorance in
response to his meaningless reply to
your post? Another few empty headed
snide remarks should put you in your
place.
\_ Well, we can be assured that the
sun isn't shining in his ass.
\_ Just because a thing was done before a standard
was adopted, it does not mean that one is not allowed
to go back to measure the thing based on the
subsequently adopted standard.
\_ In this case how could they have known how many
days had passed with no way to measure time?
\_ Witness to the creation would know the length
of a day after the creation of the sun. Such
person or persons would then approximate the
passage of time pre creation of sun based on
the later established day standard. Granted,
this estimate would not be precise, but it
would not likely be off by (say) more than
an order of magnitude either. This implies
reasonably that the period of creation pre-sun
might have taken longer than a few days, but
it would not likely have taken years let alone
millions of years.
\_ A good guess but you only get a C because
you make gross assumptions about the nature
of both time and the creator.
\_ One's explanation is likely the simplest
that fits the offered facts.
\_ The big theological issue even the most liberal Christians
have with evolution is the transition from man=animal to
man=child of God, with soul, morals, etc. For the longest
time I believed that science (that is, beliefs derived from
observation and the scientific method) pointed conclusively
to evolution while theology pointed away from it. Over
time I've come to conclude that evolution is really
orthogonal to creation, and while I still have my questions
about evolution (macro evolution and abiogenesis
primarily--though evolution proper doesn't address
abiogenesis) I don't really doubt it anymore. It doesn't
affect the core issues of Christianity. -emarkp
\_ cool way to be a rational person with irrational beliefs.
glad you resolved that. |
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