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2003/6/17 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:28752 Activity:nil 73%like:28746
6/18    http://csua.org/u/39y
        Yet another american soldier raping the local population. If our
        soldiers are raping allied civilians, what do you think they're doing
        to Iraqi women?
        \_ Buying them cheap. The starving and hopeless give the best bang for
           the buck.
        \_ the main issue is that US Military is pretty much immued to
           the local jurisdiction.  And that USA tend to be very protective
           of her own subjects.   This is nothing new.  A century ago,
           British nationals could pretty much get away with anything in
           China for the same reason.
           \_ Damn!  I wish I could be immued to the local jurisdiction!
           \_ Nonsense.  You seriously want our soldiers to be subject to the
              concept of 'justice' that exists in the many places we send our
              troops?  That's so naive and childish a concept it borders on
              the infantile.  If you want to avoid US Soldier/Local Civilian
              problems, the only way is to not have our soldiers in other
              countries.  The end results of that could be far far worse than
              the once per 4 years rape that happens.  If you were truly
              concerned about the locals around the world, you'd be screaming
              everyday about the UN boys from other countries that are
              actively and openly engaged in the sex slave trade buying,
              selling, and raping the same women they're sent there to protect.
              \_ US troops are hugely involved in the local sex trade, too.
                 Have you ever been to a military base overseas, or even
                 in the US? The nearest town is almost always full of
                 prostitution. It is hypocritical to condemn the UN
                 soldiers of doing this while ignoring the fact that
                 the US does the same thing. -veteran
                 \_ There is also a problem with sexual assault/rape
                    within the armed forces, and fraternization, too.
                    -veteran#2
                 \_ It would be better if the US soldiers weren't customers
                    but our officers are not actively engaged in buying,
                    selling, and moving women around the world.  You're trying
                    to make some sort of moral equivalency which doesn't
                    exist.  Example: a pot smoker in Berkeley is *not* the
                    same level of criminal as the grower moving a few tons of
                    pot every year.  Both are criminals but one would get a
                    small fine at worst while the other would get big time at
                    the big house.  (insert your drug of choice in that)
                    \_ And the US tends to cover up those nasty rumors about
                       permitting military contractors to have child sex slaves.
                http://www.insightmag.com/main.cfm/include/detail/storyid/163052.html
                    \_ True enough. While visiting prostitues certainly
                       creates the demand for the sex trade, it is not
                       the same kind of crime as actually running it. -veteran
              \_ Flapdoodle.  There's no need to make this an either-or
                 proposition.  Improve the process by which these cases
                 are reviewed by military tribunal, and hand over suspects
                 in non-frivolous, evidence-supported cases.  This will
                 protect the troops from malicious and baseless accusations
                 and still address real problems.
                 \_ Ok, let's say a US soldier is involved in an evidence
                    supported case in Pakistan.  You're going to turn that guy
                    over to the mullahs running the northwest province under
                    shariah islamic laws?  Why don't you just do him a favor
                    and put him in front of a firing squad instead?
                    \_ Hey, if you do the crime in a foreign country, you
                       get to face the consequences of your actions.  That
                       said, we could even modify the process to weed out
                       crimes for which we have no analog here in the US
                       and (like Mexico) refuse to extradite criminals if
                       we believe the expected punishment will be cruel and
                       unusual by our standards.  There's a lot of room to
                       work with here.
                       \_ The difference is that a soldier doesn't have any
                          choice about going to some third world shit hole with
                          brutal laws and no justice.  As a civilian I can
                          choose to not be subjected to that by simply not
                          booking the flight.  Soldiers go where they're told
                          to go.  They should be subject to the US code of
                          military justice.  That's why it exists.  I'm not in
                          any way saying rape is ok or that our guys shouldn't
                          get punished for it.  I'm saying they should be
                          consistently subject to the same code no matter where
                          they might be assigned.
                          \_ We have a draft again?  Oh whoops, it's all
                             volunteers.  And last I checked, I was able to
                             contain my hormones enough to not rape anyone.
                             Bring 'em all home, stop wasting my dough.  -John
        \_ My country Singapore is the smartest.  We let US have small base
           in Singapore in case commie China turn into big bad wolf.  US
           has no better choice since getting kicked out of Pilipines.
           Also, we tell US to follow local jurisdiction just like Michael
           Fay.  Small little red light district in Geylang for horny US
           GIs, but no mischief or arse gets cane.  Neighborhood bullies
           like Malaysia and Indonesia also don't dare to cause mischief
           with US base in Spore.  By the way, we detained like 10 terrorists
           without trial over the years.   US beat us by detaining 762 in
           Guatanamo Bay.  Poor GIs in boring Geyland with ugly spore girls
           must miss Olongapo bad.
           \_ LAH!
           \_ Guatmo.. A lovely place. Females staying there are advised upon
              arriving to lock their doors and keep a loaded firearm nearby
              because the US marines and navy boys tend to get a little wild.
              I've had female friends talk about being woken up in the middle
              of the night as drunken sailors and marines attempted to knock
              down their door for a little unrequested R&R.
              \_ I'm sure they're willing to pay after.  What's the problem?
                 \_ Yermom keeps wanting more than the $5 she's worth.
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According to the Racketeer Influenced Corrupt Organization Act (RICO) lawsuit filed in Texas on behalf of the former DynCorp aircraft mechanic, "in the latter part of 1999 Johnston learned that employees and supervisors from DynCorp were engaging in perverse, illegal and inhumane behavior and were purchasing illegal weapons, women, forged passports and participating in other immoral acts. Army Criminal Investigation Division (CID) until the investigators could get him safely out of Kosovo and returned to the United States. Air Force contract with DynCorp as an aircraft-maintenance technician for Apache and Blackhawk helicopters. As one of the federal government's top 25 contractors, DynCorp has received nearly $1 billion since 1995 for these services and has deployed 181 personnel to Bosnia during the last six years. Although DynCorp long has been respected for such work, according to Johnston and internal DynCorp communications it appears that extracurricular sexcapades on the part of its employees were tolerated by some as part of its business in Bosnia. For instance, an internal e-mail from DynCorp employee Darrin Mills, who apparently was sent to Bosnia to look into reported problems, said, "I met with Col. DynCorp is just as immoral and elite as possible, and any rule they can break they do. They had one kid, James Harlin, over there who was right out of high school and he didn't even know the names and purposes of the basic tools. Soldiers that are paid $18,000 a year know more than this kid, but this is the way they DynCorp grease their pockets. What they say in Bosnia is that DynCorp just needs a warm body that's the DynCorp slogan. Even if you don't do an eight-hour day, they'll sign you in for it because that's how they bill the government. He laughs bitterly recalling the work habits of a DynCorp employee in Bosnia who "weighed 400 pounds and would stick cheeseburgers in his pockets and eat them while he worked. The problem was he would literally fall asleep every five minutes. Johnston reports that he had been in Bosnia only a few days when he became aware of misbehavior in which many of his DynCorp colleagues were involved. He tells INSIGHT, "I noticed there were problems as soon as I got there, and I tried to be covert because I knew it was a rougher crowd than I'd ever dealt with. It's not like I don't drink or anything, but DynCorp employees would come to work drunk. A DynCorp van would pick us up every morning and you could smell the alcohol on them. I'd tell them that it was wrong and that it was no different than slavery that you can't buy women. Then I went to my supervisors, including John Hirtz, although at the time I didn't realize how deep into it he was. Later I learned that he had videotaped himself having sex with two girls and CID has that video as evidence. Hirtz is the guy who would take new employees to the brothels and set them up so he got his women free. They were from Russia, Romania and other places, and they were imported in by DynCorp and the Serbian mafia. In fact, there was this one guy who had to be 60 years old who had a girl who couldn't have been 14. DynCorp leadership was 100 percent in bed with the mafia over there. CID spent several weeks working the investigation and the results appear to support Johnston's allegations. For example, according to DynCorp employee Kevin Werner's sworn statement to CID, "during my last six months I have come to know a man we call 'Debeli,' which is Bosnian for fat boy. He is the operator of a nightclub by the name of Harley's that offers prostitution. He further admitted to having purchased weapons (against the law in Bosnia) and it was Werner who turned over to CID the videotape made by Hirtz. Werner apparently intended to use the video as leverage in the event that Hirtz decided to fire him. Werner tells CID, "I told him Hirtz I had a copy and that all I wanted was to be treated fairly. CID: Did you have sexual intercourse with the second woman on the tape? Hirtz: Yes CID: Did you have intercourse with the second woman after she said "no" to you? CID: According to what you witnessed on the videotape played for you in which you were having sexual intercourse with the second woman, did you have sexual intercourse with the second woman after she said "no" to you? CID: Did you know it is wrong to force yourself upon someone without their consent? The CID agents did not ask any of the men involved what the ages of the "women" were who had been purchased or used for prostitution. 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How can men be allowed to get away with rape simply because of location? Rape is a crime no matter where it occurs and it's important to remember that even prostitution is against the law in Bosnia. The message we're sending to kids is that it's okay for America's representatives to rape children. We talk about the future of the children, helping to build economies, democracy, the rule of law, and at the same time we fail to prosecute cases like this. DynCorp adheres to a core set of values that has served as the backbone of our corporation for the last 55 years, helping us become one of the largest and most respected professional-services and outsourcing companies in the world. We can't stress strongly enough that, as an employee-owned corporation, we take ethics very seriously. He received his only reprimand from DynCorp one day prior to the sting on the DynCorp hangar when Johnston was working with CID. Harlin, the young high-school graduate Johnston complained had no experience in aircraft maintenance and didn't even know the purposes of the basic tools, provided a sworn statement to CID about Johnston. Asked if anyone ever had offered to sell him a weapon, Harlin fingered Johnston and DynCorp employee Tom Oliver, who also had disapproved of the behavior of DynCorp employees. Kevin Glasheen, Johnston's attorney, says flatly of this: "It's DynCorp's effort to undermine Ben's credibility. But I think once the jury hears this case, that accusation is only going to make them more angry at DynCorp. In order to make our claim, we have to show that DynCorp was retaliating against Ben, and that fits under racketeering. But this problem permeated their business and management and they made business decisions to further the scheme and to cover it up. We have to show that there was a causal connection between Ben's whistle-blowing about the sex trade and his being fired. We're here to prove a retaliation case, not convict DynCorp of participating in the sex-slave trade. Basically you've got a bunch of strong men who are raping and manipulating young girls who have been kidnapped from their homes. Is it the guy who buys the girl to give her freedom, the one who kidnaps her and sells her or the one who liberates her and ends up having sex with her? There was a real corporate culture with a deep commitment to a cover-up. And it's outrageous that DynCorp still is being paid by the government on this contract. DynCorp had a $15 million contract to hire and train police officers for duty in Bosnia at the time she reported such officers were paying for prostitutes and participating in sex-trafficking. Many of these were forced ...