6/9     Israel-Palestine question.  Most people agree that return of
        1967 border and waive the right of refugee's return is somewhat
        more viable peace plan than anything else.  My question is:  I
        thought that Gaza Strip was taken away from Egypt.  Howcome that
        during the discussion of Palestine statehood, no one talked about
        returning Gaza Strip back to Egypt?
                                Ignorant Chinese
         \_ The West Bank was taken from Jordan, so you should be asking
            the same question about Jordan.  But Jordan doesn't want to
            deal with the West Bank, and Egypt probably doesn't want to
            deal with Gaza.
        \_ because Israel is no way no how going to give that back to Egypt.
        \_ hey moron - Israel *wanted* and *wants* to give the gaza back
           to egypt. If you read up on the peace plans of the past, Egypt
           refused - they didn't want to deal with it either.
           \_ yeah... Israel *wants* to give the gaza back.  I thought
              Gaza Strip is part of the promise land.
           \_ I just thought that i would make more sense, and it shows
              a good gesture to the Arab world that Israel is serious about
              the settlement.  Further, it can deflect some of the problem
              to Egypt... let Egypt to deal with Palestinians in the Gaza
              Strip.
        \_ Here's the real answer: Jordan doesn't want the West Bank back.
           Egypt doesn't want the Gaza Strip back.  Why?  Because they're both
           packed full of palestinians.  *No one* wants palestinians in their
           country.  They're kept in poverty and in permanent refugee status
           by the other Arabs to give their dictators something to distract
           their own people from their own very real problems.  There were
           hundreds of thousands of Jews all over the middle east who got
           forcefully evicted from their homes.  Places where Jews had lived
           for more than a thousand years in many cases.  Israel took them all
           in.  No country has taken in the palestinians and never will.  The
           palestinians are considered garbage people by the other Arabs.  As
           far as "most people agree", you should find a larger set of people
           to talk to.  Israel will never go back to the '67 borders.  They
           aren't defendable.  As far as the right of return goes, they have no
           more right than the Jews have to return to their homes: none.  ok,
           enough being trolled.
                \_  This is true... Kuwait evicted all of its Palestinians
                    after GWI, the Saudis also evicted and put others in camps.
                    Jordan is over 50% Palestinian.
                        \_ Might also want to look up massacres of
                           Palestinians and expulsion of PLA/PLO by Jordan in
                           1970. -John
           \_ hey, I am just looking at this whole situation and trying to
              make sense of it.  I just thought that a Palestine State (for
              sake of arguement, 100%  of West Bank) AND Gaza Strip is not
              viable at all.   And by the way, I don't buy the "undefendable
              border" arguement.  If you look at the national border over the
              world, you will see borders, for the most part, are not
              defendable.               --OP
              \_  Ummm.. Maybe so, but most places
                  A) Don't get much choice about it regularly
                  B) Aren't surrounded by other countries obseessed with
                     killing them, and them in particular.
              \_ So you think once there's a "viable Palestinian state" that
                 the various palestinian terrorist groups will suddenly stop
                 killing Israelis and the rest of the arab nations will put
                 Israel on the maps they use in their grade schools?
                 Israel on the maps they use in their grade schools?  While
                 we're trolling on Israel, what do you think of China releasing
                 Tibet and also stop threatening to invade Taiwan and let it
                 be independent?  Or maybe the other way?  Tibet and Taiwan
                 should STFU and stop rejecting their natural motherland?
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                 \_ Terrorism is an act of desperation.  Mind you that
                    there was once upon a time when Arab nations were
                    reasonable, rational, and even democratic.  But we
                    took advantage of that by creating an Israeli state,
                    evicted people who lived there close to 2000 years, and
                    installed pro-western government so we can extract
                    oil from them.  If we were following the democratic
                    principle, Israel wouldn't of created at first place.
           \_ Why are they packed full of palestinians?
              \_ Because palestinians breed like rats and no one and I mean
                 *no one* wants rats in their house.
                 \_ Interesting. My boss is Palestinian. He may be overweight
                    and a blowhard, but I can't say he's been breeding like a
                    rat.