5/26    Who is in favor of restructuring the tax system so that it penalizes
        people who have more than 2 kids?  Right now this child tax credit
        applies to all your kids.  I say, it ought to apply only to the first
        two. And if you have more than 2 kids, the credit goes away and you
        have to pay MORE tax for every child you have.
        \_ Because?
        \_ I hate child tax credits period.   - single and without kids
           \_ That's nice.  As a matter of public policy what's wrong with
              them?
              \_ What's right with them?
                 \_ It's the status quo.  Don't like it?  Propose a reason
                    for change.
                    \_ obviously, this system is giving tax breaks to people
                       so the rest of us have to pay more. -differentguy
                       \_ The entire tax system is built like that.  Did you
                          vote for Steve and his 3x5 tax return?  A flat tax
                          is the only way to not have someone get an "unfair"
                          break.  The fact of the matter is that it is in the
                          country's best interest to encourage people to have
                          children.  The tax you should be upset about is the
                          marriage tax penalty which discourages and punishes
                          people for trying to have a stable family.  Stable
                          family structures are good for the country, so this
                          tax should go but the child credit should stay.
                                 --married guy, never having kids
        \_ Well, the US economy depends on growth, and with an aging
           population, who will take care of this aging population? We are
           making up for our lack of procreation by increasing immigration.
           So tax credit or no we will have more people in the US. To see
           the affects of zero-growth population, take a look at Japan.
                \_ And Europe.
           \_ I said eliminate and increase tax only after you have TWO kids.
              How does that lead to zero population growth?  -OP
              \_ Your changes penalizes ppl for having too many kids. So if
                 the gov't encourages you to have at most 2 kids (to replace
                 you and your SO), that is zero population growth.
        \_ After reading the above replies, I think the answer to the OP's
           question is, "no one with a clue who cares about the country is in
           favor of reducing or eliminating the child tax credit".
           \_ It's not about eliminating it.  The question is how much is
              enough.  Kind of like welfare.  Some is good, too much and
              it's bad.  Poor immigrants from Mexico have the most number
              of kids.  Subsidizing that is always good for the country?
              Similarly why should I be subsidizing rich people who have
              more than enough to take care of their kids?  Some well-
              directed subsizing is ok, but too much of it, and you are
              imposing on my freedom to choose what kind of life I should
              have, forcing conformity and too much social control like
              boring Singapore.
              \_ I'm going to ignore your bizarre comment about SG and freedom.
                 Kids are kids.  It doesn't matter if their parents came from
                 somewhere else.  They're here now.  In three generations do
                 you want those Mexican-parented-now-American kids to have
                 grand children in jail, selling drugs, and hooking or do you
                 want them in college, serving in the military, working in
                 offices, and being good neighbors?
                 \_ I want them to have less kids unless they can take good
                    care of their kids themselves (with a little subsidizing
                    from me, but not too much).
                    \_ And there you have it.  You want to give a child tax
                       credit but not "too much".  Who defines "too much"?
                       Right now, by right of status quo, the current number
                       isn't "too much".  You also (I assume you're OP) want
                       to charge a "too many children tax" after some
                       unspecified number of kids.  Who are *you* to decide
                       how much is too much?  Who are *you* to decide that
                       someone has had too many kids?  Once you get into any
                       tax system beyond a simple flat tax, you *will* be
                       giving bonuses and slapping penalties on people in a
                       government controlled effort to force the populace to
                       conform to your utopian ideal of what everyone should
                       be doing with their lives.  Thanks, but no thanks.  I'd
                       rather keep our current broken system then have you
                       break it worse in your utopian ideal image.
                    from me).