4/27    Macromedia ColdFusion and Jrun are steaming piles of horseshit that
        are not fit to be emptied in an outhouse, much less run a web
        application.
        \_ You only just figured this out now?
        \_ Doing your programming in tags (I got stuck with ColdFusion
           at sony) is always a bad idea(TM). I assume you're stuck
           using it because the dimwits before you got stuck on the
           platform. In fact, JavaScript and JSP and ASP are only
           marginally better. Mixing HTML with other shit is always
           a bad idea.
           \_ Yeah!  do all your web coding with SSI!
           \_ What alternative do you propose?
              \_ ATG Dynamo does a good job of enforcing the MVC
                 design pattern with its Java application server.
              \_ CGI.
        \_ This wasn't really a revelation, more an exclamation of
           frustration.  Anyone know a ISP that will let you run ColdFusion
           backed by mysql?  Additionally, will need SSL support.  I need
           something set up fairly quickly, but only for a month or two. -op