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4/15 I'd like to recycle my empty glass bottles of Corona beer, except
they have lime slices in them? What do i do?
\- residential level recycling is basically pointless so do whatever
you want. do you think people carefully sort their newspapers vs
"other paper"? --psb
\_ I actually do.
\_ No longer true. These days China's cheap labor makes it
worthwhile. Big chunk of our waste gets shipped to China
and comes back as packaging, etc. for products. See
recent WSJ article about how an American kid's tossed old
homework goes to China and back. Symbiosis of world's
greatest waste producer and world's greatest low cost
products manufacturer - global economy at its best.
\- well while i believe there might be some sucessful
residential recycling programs, i bet the vast majority
lose money [in the us]. it's places like china and
india where *real* reclying happens ... and that is
recyling by virtue of reuse. i.e. people use newspaper
to wrap fish, they use the glass bottles things come in
\_ or to wipe ass. -motd resident russian
to store other things. you guys who feel you've done
pasta container are ... wel let's just say you should
your part for the planet by throwing stuff into the right
bin and then driving to create and barrel to buy a $23
pasta container are ... well let's just say you should
move to marin county and sit in your wildly inefficient
hottubs and say shame shame shame about all the SUV
drivers. --psb
\_ except Aluminum. The energy cost of processing
virgin Aluminum from Bauxite is so huge that it's actually
economical to recycle.
\_ Partha, do you "stink of righteousness"?
\_ Here is the wsj article if you are interested:
http://iml.jou.ufl.edu/Newszine/global/5.htm
One thing to note is that prices for "corrugated
cardboard" can go from $50 to $250 per ton within a
few years, so that may determine whether it would be
economical to recycle. Also, "lose money" does not
mean no benefit. For example, I work at a medical
equipment company that is losing money. That doesn't
mean our products are not saving lives. Value is
still being added.
\_Lose money means not sustainable. Take some basic
economics. The dot-com bubble is over. And a recycling
system which loses money is bad, because the money
has to come from somewhere, i.e. industries which are
polluting.
\_ Not sustainable, yes. But losing money doesn't
mean you stop working. Similarly, there is
value in spending the effort to recycle even
if the company involved is losing money. The
cost (both for the company and for yourself) is
mostly labor. You may find better ways
to use the labor, but that doesn't mean the
effort is wasted. Put it another way, when the
company is losing money, it may mean that your
pay is too high, but it doesn't mean that your
effort does not deserve ANY pay.
\_ Uhm, dude, look, if your company is losing money,
you need to work on your resume. "Not sustainable"
means there won't be a company soon. I admire your
idealism but there's no VC going to come save
your ass and keep you in free beer.
\_ It's just an example. It's fictitious, but
thanks for your concern. My real company
has been alternately losing money and breaking
even, but it is a big fat company that doesn't
die easily, and actually just bought another
company today. I may move on soon though since
work here has become unrewarding.
\_ the medical equipment guy must still be using the
"new math" of the "new economy". Haaa haa.
than it is to pay for landfill.
\_ Of course recycling is subsidized. But in the long run,
it's cheaper to set up recycling and lose money that way
than it is to pay for new landfills. |
| 11/23 |
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| iml.jou.ufl.edu/Newszine/global/5.htm By MIRON VAROUHAKIS Associated Press Writer PIRAEUS, Greece -- A passenger ferry from a Greek island has just docked. Tourists sit at outdoor tables overlooking the country's main commercial port. They also get a front-row look at what may be the most intense concentration of security for the Aug. Gun-toting coast guard officers in camouflage uniforms conduct foot patrols. The port of Piraeus - about six miles south of central Athens - will be the temporary home for about 13,000 visitors, state officials and dignitaries aboard at least eight cruise ships, including the world's largest and most expensive passenger ship, the Queen Mary 2. The port of Piraeus is the busiest in Europe and third largest in the world, serving more than 12 million passengers annually. The port is needed for the Olympics because of a severe hotel shortage in Athens. Some terrorism experts fear al-Qaida's next target could be from the sea, or directed at a target in the sea. Maritime terrorism already has struck with deadly force: the bombings of the USS Cole in Yemen in 2000 and the French oil tanker Limburg in 2002 off the Yemeni coast. In 1996, Chechen rebels held 255 hostages on a ferry in the Black Sea for three days. With airport security at its highest levels, some experts worry al-Qaida or other groups could turn to the harder-to-defend sea lanes, ports or shipyards. Greece has a vast coastline covering some 9,320 miles and some 6,000 islands and islets. At an anti-terrorism conference in Manila, Philippines, on March 31, the sea-borne threats were on top of the agenda. State Department deputy coordinator for counterterrorism, told the gathering. Plans to safeguard the games are the most expensive in Olympic history. The final tally could approach $1 billion - more than three times higher than Sydney's security budget four years ago. In the port will be the bulk of a 2,500-strong coast guard force and members of the Greek navy's underwater demolition unit, according to security plans. The port's perimeter will be monitored by a closed circuit surveillance system and motion sensors. Ferry passengers and cargo will pass through metal detectors, officials said. All port workers and employees at other businesses will need special identification cards. The 15-deck Queen Mary 2 will accommodate more than 2,600 passengers and will be the centerpiece of the cruise ship fleet. Offshore, coast guard and navy vessels plan a three-layer protection shield that will extend up to 12 miles of port to assess all vessels entering or leaving, and helicopters will watch the busy sea lanes. Other cruise ships will be diverted to a nearby port, but regular ferry and cargo traffic will continue, said Coast Guard Capt. Nikos Voulgaris, who is in charge of Olympic port security. The NATO Standing Naval Force Mediterranean is expected to patrol the outer borders of Greece to the east, west and south of Athens. The force is made up of six frigates and two destroyers from several countries, including the United States and Britain. Henry Ulrich, who directs the Navy's 6th Fleet based in Gaeta, Italy, came to Athens for talks in mid-March, suggesting the American fleet could play a role in NATO's security network for the Olympics. |