4/13 Any recommendations on oracle vs MS as place of employment?
My cousin has offers at both and is unsure which to go with.
\_ Choose to innovate at M$.
\_ Oracle has a rep as slave drivers.
\_ Oh? And MS doesn't? OP's cousin should go for cash and
location and potential for future job growth. As places of
employment both will suck big time in all the other ways. BTW,
I assume this means full time on staff employment and not MS's
fake full time contracted employment.
\_ most ppl assume that if you are hired as a "contractor", but
treated like an employee, that you really are an employee as
defined by law (i.e. not the employers "title"). some M$
"contractors" sued M$ and won when M$ "employee's" got
stock options and so forth during M$'s success, but the
"contractors" got zippo. I heard about this at an SBA
workshop.
\_ good for you. i heard about this on the news.
\_ SBA? What's SBA? *Everyone* heard this in the news
years ago. And btw, MS contractors are still treated
like shit on a day to day basis no matter what their
compensation as forced/required by a court.
\_ Small Business Administration. The point is that
no matter if they call you a contractor, if they
treat you like an employee (set your hours, etc)
then you *are* an employee as defined by law, not
a contractor as defined by the company. So you do
have legal recourse, if needed. You can be treated
like shit anywhere whether your are a "real"
employee or not, especially nowadays.
\_ You missed *my* point. At MS if your status is
'contractor' you get treated even worse than
*real* full time staff. I understood *your*
point the first time. A court can't rule that
people have to be as nice to you day to day as
they are to real FTE. Only that they have to
compensate you the same way. I work for a
different place where my compensation is really
great but I'm looking for a new job which is
going to treat me better even though I'm 100%
certain it'll mean a drop in money.
\_ I got your point the first time, too. So
why are you trying to lecture me? Just let
it lie, take some prozac, go out for a walk,
do some yoga, calm down. breathe in, breathe
out, breathe in, breathe out...
\_ You got a lecture because you obviously
didn't 'get it' the first time. Good try
with the prozac line but not really, I'm
just being nice about it.
\_ You *really* do need prozac. lots
of therapy, too. Work on those
breathing exercises, ya' hear?
good boy.
\_ Uhm, ok, whatever, son. Really,
you made a good effort, you came
across as an illiterate and a
fool and it's over now. Let it
go. You're just repeating
yourself. It isn't helping.
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yea, that MS contracted employees had to resort to a
lawsuit to get equal compensation tells everyone that
it's not a good idea to work there as contracted
employees. Also, everyone learned about it from the
news and not from some SBA.
\_ You make me laugh. If you are the orig poster,
then perhaps they just don't treat you "better"
because you are hard to deal with. Take a good
look in the mirror, you really need to. This is
serious advice. Good luck in therapy, I sincerely
wish you well.
\_ You seem to know a lot about prozac and therapy.
Did you learn them from SBA too?
\_ You crack me up. You do seem to be hung
up on this SBA thing, some kind of fixation,
make sure to tell that to your therapist.
\_ Nah, the only thing I am fixated on is
your stupidity.
\_ In the movies this would be the point
where you two passionately kiss.
\_ Are you a Meg Ryan fan? You are
so passe.
\_ Now you've insulted Meg Ryan,
this won't stand!!! It's not
right, man, it's just not right!
-#1Meg Ryan fan!
\_ Can you give some details? Is your cousin a new grad or what?
What school / Where does she live? Salaries? Which groups? Future
goals? etc. etc. etc. All else being equal, I think I'd choose ms,
for nothing more than future marketability. I know lots of idiots
who work or used to work for oracle, but i dont know many ms'ers,
and those that i met seemed to be relatively smart. ymmv.
\_ My cousing is graduating from CS at Berkeley this
May. Group at MS is 3Degrees. Group at Oracle is unknown.
Salaries comparable. I told him I'd go w/ MS. --sky (OP)
\_ All true but by this point I suspect Oracle has dropped 99% of
the morons from the payroll.
\_ speaking as an Oracle customer, this is definitely not
true. -tom
\_ you work for UC, how could you tell?
\_ This would appear to be a valid point. |
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