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2003/4/10 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:28068 Activity:high
4/10    One of my "liberal" coworkers was against the war, and now that we've
        "liberated" the Iraqis, she's arguing about how great it is that they
        no longer have this oppressive regime that would torture its people
        and so forth. So do most supporters of the war think that it is about
        a) Regime change for the Iraqis:
        b) Nat'l Security:
        c) Financial Gain for Americans as a whole:
        \_ Few people doubted that US would win militarily without too much
           trouble.  I personally predicted 2 weeks when asked.  I was a
           little too optimistic.  I have always found the WMD and Al Queda
           link accusations weak in evidence and the response disproportionate.
           Regime change for the benefit of Iraqis is the only possibly
           legitimate justification for killing tens of thousands of Iraqis.
           However, regime change as justification is illegal under
           international laws and may become a dangerous precedent, so the
           WMD excuse.  I hope things work out well.
           \_ Really?  It was just a couple weeks ago when pundits were
              muttering about fedayeen, too few troops, and I thought I
              even heard talk of quagmire.  For example (abstract only),
              http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=FA0D1EFD35540C748EDDAA0894DB404482
              \_ That's relatively speaking, like arguing whether Cal's
                 football team would lose 52-6 or 42-10, and the opposing
                 side's coach telling his players not to take Cal lightly.
                 \_ did you even read the link?  to quote: "It is not likely
                    to change the outcome of the war, but it will prolong the
                    fighting, make it more costly for his adversaries and
                    profoundly affect the way it is seen in other Arab
                    countries and around the world."  now in light of this
                    quote, is your Cal analogy fair?
                 \_ How about this?
                    http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A34229-2003Mar26
                    \_ What about it?  Army guys playing down
                       expectations and painting a more formidable enemy to
                       cover themselves in case things don't go as well as
                       planned?  What do you expect them to say?  "This is
                       a turkey shoot." ?
                       \_ Again, did you even bother to read the link?
                          \_ Err ... yes.  Did you?  Also, try using http://csua.org,
                             at least for the long nytimes link above.
        \_ It is about A and B.  C is a long term side effect but in the
           short term wars cost money.
        \_ U-S-A U-S-A U-S-A U-S-A U-S-A U-S-A U-S-A U-S-A U-S-A!!!
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