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| 2003/4/9 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:28042 Activity:insanely high |
4/8 Fighting censorship here at motd. Restored
FNS: Majority of foreign journalist in Iraq considered US'
attack on Palestein Hotel and Al Jazeera Office an deliberate
act. Contrary to what US DoD have stated, there were no fire
fight anywhere near neither Palestein Hotel nor Al Jazeera office
during the attack.
Al Jazeera, which lost a journalist as result, pointed out that
its office in Kabul during the war against Afghanistan was on
US military's Target list and was destroyed. Aside from Al Jazeera,
Office of journalist from Saudi Arabia and UAE were also destroyed
by US military.
\_ Dude. It's a fucking WAR. People are shooting
all over the place. Mistakes happen. There is no
conspiracy to slaughter journalists, there is no
shadow directive to wipe out critical voices,
there is no dark plot to silence opponents. Some
yahoo was driving a tank down the street, thought
he got shot at, and "shot back". These are nervous
19 year old kids with HS educations having grenades
thrown at them, not smug know-it-all college brat
armchair admirals. Furthermore, the guys reporting
on this knew the risks when they put themselves in
harm's way--war journalists get killed. Even good
ones sometimes--Ernie Pyle and Robert Capa are just
two examples. It doesn't excuse that it happened,
but maybe you might consider wiping away your
paranoid fog and _thinking_ before shooting off
your gob. And PLEASE learn some basic English grammar
before marking an ass of yourself--this is supposed
to be a University. You're embarrassing. -John
\_ Bzzt. Even the German press is disputing this claim.
\_ Can you put up a link? Provide any proof at all aside from your
vague accusations and unsubstantiated engrish conspiracy theories?
Or are you really just the whiny-assed, just-got-to-college-and
-am-still-full-of-antiestablishmentarianism bitch that you sound
like?
\_ I'm skeptical that the US would intentionally fire on
journalists (what purpose would that serve), but every
article I have seen on this incident has stated that
witnesses in the area claimed that there was no fire coming
from the Palestine Hotel:
http://csua.org/u/cb7 (NYT)
http://csua.org/u/cb8 (Guardian)
http://csua.org/u/cb9 (Wash. Post)
-!op
\_ censorship in its worse form. US military desperately
want to silence those who leak out information which
they don't want people to know. By staging such
superfical accident, you would be suprise how effective
it can get. Then again, this is my personal opinion.
I was refraining myself dumping personal bias when
I posted the information earlier. The information
sources are Television footages from various nations.
It may sound overly negative because I have skipped
all the American one. You guys can see that in the US
yourself. -op
\_ Thanks for the links.
\_ You have no concept of what censorship means
during war. The military is not there to gratify
every civilians whim for full disclosure. The
military must kill the enemy and, unfortunately,
anyone else who gets in the way. Period.
\_ You're preaching to the choir, man. I think you
have me confused with another poster.
\_ BS, I saw TV footage of weapons fire coming from the building.
Maybe that was a hoax too? And frankly, you are in the middle
of a battle field - what do you expect.
\_ the TV footage is presumably provided by embedded American
journalist. We don't know rather that particular footage
is the Palestein Hotel or not. And, FYI, these are not
accusation just from journalist of Arab origin, I know that
Italians were saying the same thing.
\_ The embedded journalists aren't all americans. Why do you
dispute his claims based on the reports of some reporter
who wasn't even there?
\_ "pizza" is now called "freedom pie"
\_ so's yermom |
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| csua.org/u/cb7 -> query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F40B10FB355C0C7A8CDDAD0894DB404482 BURNS (NYT) 778 words Late Edition - Final , Section B , Page 2 , Column 3 ABSTRACT - American tank opens fire on Palestine Hotel in Baghdad, killing journalists Taras Protsyuk of Reuters and Jose Couso of Spain's Telecinco; To read the complete article, simply click on one of the BUY NOW buttons below. You can buy this single article or, for even greater value, you can purchase this article as part of a multi-pack. You'll then have the opportunity to buy additional articles now or in the future at significant savings! Article Archive: 1996-Present multi-packs are not valid for use with Article Archive: 1851-1995 multi-packs and vice versa. You can then debit from your multi-pack and quickly access articles from the archive at your convenience over the lifetime of the multi-pack. Please Note: Article Archive 1996-Present multi-packs are not valid for use with Article Archive: 1851-1995 multi-packs and vice versa. Once you purchase an article, you may view it as often as you like over the next 90 days. |
| csua.org/u/cb8 -> www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,932809,00.html Reuters cameraman Taras Protsyuk, 35, was killed when an American tank fired a shell directly at the Reuters suite on the 15th floor at the Palestine hotel, where many journalists are staying. Jose Couso, 37, a cameraman for the Spanish television channel Tele 5, was wounded in the same attack and died later in hospital. Samia Nakhoul, the Gulf bureau chief of Reuters, was also injured, along with a British technician, Paul Pasquale, and an Iraqi photographer, Faleh Kheiber. Earlier, al-Jazeera cameraman Tarek Ayyoub, a 35-year-old Palestinian who lived in Jordan, was killed when two bombs dropped during a US air raid hit the satellite station's office in the Iraqi capital. American forces also opened fire on the offices of Abu Dhabi television, whose identity is spelled out in large blue letters on the roof. All the journalists were killed and injured in daylight at locations known to the Pentagon as media sites. The tank shell that hit the Palestine hotel slammed into the 18-storey building at noon, shaking the tower and spewing rubble and dirt into hotel rooms at least six floors below. The attack brought pandemonium in the hotel which lies on the east side of the Tigris. It was adopted by all remaining western journalists in the city after advice from the Pentagon to evacuate from the western side of the river. Central command in Qatar said its troops had been responding in self-defence to enemy fire but witnesses dismissed that claim as false. According to a central command statement, "commanders on the ground reported that coalition forces received significant enemy fire from the hotel and consistent with the inherent right of self-defence, coalition forces returned fire". The statement added: "Sadly a Reuters and Tele 5 journalist were killed in this exchange. Sky's correspondent, David Chater, said: "I never heard a single shot coming from the area around here, certainly not from the hotel," he said. BBC correspondent Rageh Omaar added that none of the other journalists in the hotel had heard any sniper fire. Chater said he saw a US tank pointing its gun at the hotel and turned away just before the blast. That tank shell, if it was an American tank shell, was aimed directly at this hotel and directly at journalists. Journalists, a watchdog group that defends press freedoms, demanded an invesigation in a letter to the US defence secretary, Donald Rumsfeld. During the Afghan war, two supposedly smart US bombs hit the Reuters office in Kabul and many suspect the attack was no accident. It happened at a strategic moment, two hours before the Northern Alliance took over the city. US military officials at central command said they were investigating and added that the casualties were "regrettable". Al-Jazeera correspondent Tarek Ayyoub was broadcasting live to the satellite station's 7am news bulletin when US aircraft fired two missiles at the bureau building, killing him and injuring a colleague. Ibrahim Hilal, al-Jazeera's chief editor at its headquarters in Qatar, said a US warplane was seen above the building before the attack. Our office is in a residential area and even the Pentagon knows its location," he said. Al-Jazeera correspondent Majed Abdul-Hadi said the bombardment was probably deliberate. In Doha last night al-Jazeera's chairman, Hamad bin Thamer, said the channel "could not ascertain" if its Baghdad bureau had been targeted by the US. But he dismissed American claims that there had been gunfire coming from the building at the time of the attack. Mr Ayyoub, 35, a Palestinian born in Kuwait, had not intended to go to Baghdad but as the war dragged on he felt he had to work there, and al-Jazeera agreed to let him work in Baghdad. His widow, Dima Ayyoub, launched a vitriolic attack on America: "My message to you is that hatred breeds hatred," she said in a live telephone link-up from her home in Amman, Jordan. |
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