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2003/4/8-9 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:28029 Activity:high
4/8     This is what you get for tell people what US of A
        doesn't want you to tell:
        http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2928153.stm
        Call me a cynic, but I think US destroyed Al Jazeera office
        deliberately.
        \_ Ok you're a cynic
           \_ and you're naive.
                \_ Great way to gain credibility for your opinions.  Go around
                   belittling the competence of your opponents by name-calling
                   and questioning their knowledge.  Anyone who disagrees
                   with me is obviously an idiot.  -John
                   \_ cynic sounds right, but naive is mightily persuasive!
                   \_ John, the first was a joke and the second was just an
                      idiot the rest of us chose to ignore.  Why couldn't you?
        \_ And a few French embassies.  And so what?  It isn't for telling
           people what we don't want them to tell.  It's for being lying
           sacks of shit and enemies of our nation.  We bomb our enemies.
           Why is that a big surprise?  Anyway, if they weren't hanging out
           with Iraqi snipers trying to get a good photo or story, they
           wouldn't be getting killed or bombed as often.
           \_ You know, freedom of the press is one of the things that
              foreign oppressed people particularly admire about the
              United States. This tarnishes our reputation a bit,
              don't you think?
              \_ Our press is quite free.  What are you talking about?  If
                 you're concerned about freedom of the press, look at the rest
                 of the non-Western world.
                 \_ What am I talking about? I am saying that deliberately
                    killing journalists makes our comittment to free
                    press look less than sterling. What are you talking
                    about?
                    \_ Who said we deliberately killed journalists?  If we
                       wanted to deliverately murder journalists I think the
                       U.S. marines have proven quite capable of killing
                       anyone they're pointed at.  One or two dead here and
                       there *in a war zone!!!!* is no big surprise.  How many
                       journalists do you think we killed in Dresden?  sheesh.
                \_ freedom of press only applies to people of US Citizenship
                   and people who have no threat to the big brother. Look
                   at MLK, he was assasinated by the big brother.
                   \_ For the people!  Kill whitey!  Death to the Man!  Blame
                      America First!  Yeah!  Down with big brother!
        \_ Um, since when was being a war correspondent a safe and cushy
           job?
           \_ Worked for Wolf Blitzer and they promised to not target any
              civilian areas and we know that being in a war zone as a civvy
              is really safe so it must have been intentional murder.
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Two cameramen, working for Reuters and Spain's Telecinco, were killed when a shell hit the hotel which houses hundreds of foreign journalists. There is video footage of an American Abrams tank firing at the building. Earlier, a correspondent for the Arabic TV broadcaster al-Jazeera was killed when US missiles hit the network's office. The US Defense Department has expressed regret for the deaths of journalists, but said American forces were acting in self-defence, having encountered small-arms fire coming from the direction of the hotel. Chief spokeswomen Victoria Clark said she had repeatedly warned news organisations that correspondents were "not safe in a war zone". BBC correspondent Rageh Omaar, who was in the Hotel Palestine the time, said video footage filmed by both a French television crew and the BBC had picked up no sounds of fire coming from the hotel in the 20 or 30 minutes before the blast. The international press corps in Baghdad held a candle-lit vigil for their dead colleagues outside the hotel on Tuesday night. MEDIA DEATHS IN IRAQ 8 April: Jose Couso (Telecinco, Spain) 8 April: Taras Protsyuk (Reuters, UK) 8 April: Tareq Ayoub (al-Jazeera, Qatar) 7 April: Christian Liebig (Focus, Germany) 7 April: Julio Anguita Parrado (El Mundo, Spain) 6 April: David Bloom (non-combat related death) (NBC, US) 6 April: Kamaran Abdurazaq Muhamed (BBC, UK) 4 April: Michael Kelly (Washington Post, US) 2 April: Kaveh Golestan (BBC, UK) 30 March: Gaby Rado (ITN, UK) 22 March: Paul Moran (ABC, Australia) 22 March: Terry Lloyd (ITN, UK) But the US military later refused to confirm whether it had been the tank shell that had caused the journalists' deaths. Spain says it is demanding an explanation from Washington, while Greece - which holds the rotating presidency of the European Union - condemned the attack and said it would ask the US to guarantee the safety of journalists. Spanish Defence Minister Federico Trillo called on journalists in Baghdad to abandon the Iraqi capital, reported the Spanish news agency Efe. Mr Trillo reportedly warned media heads that journalists could be used by the Iraqis as "military objectives". Reuters said Ukrainian cameraman Taras Protsyuk died and a reporter, a photographer, and a technician were wounded when the building was hit. Spanish television network Telecinco said cameraman Jose Couso died during surgery for injuries sustained to his leg, chest and jaw. Still from Abu Dhabi television showing hurt journalist being evacuated Reporting from Iraq is fraught with danger US military officials said the building was struck by mistake. In November 2001, American warplanes mistakenly bombed the offices of the same broadcaster in Kabul, Afghanistan during the US-led campaign to oust the Taleban. But I don't believe that it is possible that it was deliberate," US State Department spokesman Nabil Khoury said. But the Reporters Without Borders pressure group said al-Jazeera had been careful to inform the Americans of the exact location of its offices. The Committee to Protect Journalists, a watchdog, criticised both attacks in a letter to US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, saying they violated Geneva conventions. Al-Jazeera told the BBC it was determined to maintain a presence in Baghdad, despite the tragedy. Abu Dhabi television said its Baghdad bureau was also hit by US bombing. According to the news agency AFP, a correspondent there issued an SOS, saying its reporters were "surrounded" in a military zone and appealing to the Red Cross to pull them out of the area. Two "embedded" foreign journalists died on Monday in an Iraqi missile attack, bringing the media death toll to five in less than 24 hours. Julio Anguita Parrado who worked for Spain's El Mundo newspaper and Christian Liepig, who was covering the war for German weekly Focus, were travelling with US forces when they came under attack. Go WATCH AND LISTEN 58 The BBC's Gillian Ni Cheallaigh "It's been a bad war for journalists" 59 News, analysis and background KEY STORIES 60 Falluja general 'not in charge' 61 US hostage in Iraq gains freedom 62 Doubt cast on Iraq torture photos 63 Bush warns of new challenges 64 Arab media fury at abuse photos ANALYSIS 65 US Army soldier clears rolls of razor wire from the main entrance to Falluja 66 Forward or back?