4/5     Hey I missed out on that Ghandi thing but anyway, if he really
        thought peace at all costs was better than a few deaths in the
        name of freedom and liberty how come he lead so many of his
        own people to take actions against the British which got them
        killed?  What's up with that?
        \_ Gandhi was not opposed to deaths, but he thought that
           people should have the choice of dying for a cause, not
           have that choice made form them by external agents. E.g.,
           re the Jews circa WWII, he did not that that they should
           accept their fate but that they should engage in incidents
           of collective suicide so as to alert the world to their
           plight. See Orwell on Gandhi.
        \_ Gandhi was a complete ass. India would have had freedom
           much earlier and on much better terms had he put aside his
           own political ambitions and supported Bose and
           others. Instead of doing what was best for India and her
           people, he did what was best for Gandhi and relegated India
           to fifty plus years of socialist poverty and despair from
           which it is only now beginning to rise.
           \_ 90-column freeper twink strikes again
           \_ Bose was a map collaborator.  He's rotting in his
              smoking ruins in a jungle somewhere.
                \_ He's most likely dead. Bose may have picked the
                   wrong sides, but he was fighting to free India
                   for the sake of freedom rather than for revenge.
                   Under Bose there would have been no partition.
                \_ He's most likely dead (he would be ~ 105 yrs old
                   this year). Bose may have picked the wrong allies,
                   but at least he was fighting to free India to
                   establish freedom for her citizens rather than
                   fasting for revenge.
           \_ Who's Bose?  Can someone educate me?  A google search
              turned up mostly speakers.
              \_ google.  bose india independence.
              \_ Subhas Chandra Bose.
        \_ Is Gandhi's no violence principles successful because
           the threat people like Bose poses is an unappetizing
           alternative for the Brits?
           of the underlying threat people like Bose poses?