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2003/4/7 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Domestic/President] UID:28018 Activity:high
4/7     Getting on Gandhi's case!  Next thing you know, you guys will
        be blasting Martin Luther King Jr.  Why don't we slag off FDR,
        JFK, Eisenhower, and Lincoln while we're at it?  Damn, I mean,
        HAS their been a leader that wasn't completely full of shit
        and out to lunch? Its no wonder that we don't have great
        leaders anymore - they would never survive the cynicism of
        today.
        \_ What's wrong with questioning leaders of any sort?  And
           while we're at it, Lincoln was a Republican who used
           slavery as an excuse to attack his southern neighbors.
           Actually mu favorite is JFK.  I'd like to know what JFK did
           that made him such a great leader.  He brought us to the
           edge of nuclear hell and back?  He banged a few hot chicks?
           Gave some good speeches?  What?
        \_ MLK was naive as a leader and a plagiarist.  FDR was an
           autocrat. JFK had mafia connections and took a lot of rash,
           dangerous decisions.  Ike was militarily a waffler.  Hitler
           liked dogs and children.  Is this a new thing, not being
           allowed to criticize leadership icons?  Or do you just
           love adhering to your grammar-school-inculated picture of a
           black-and-white-world?  -John
           \_ Hitler was also vegetarian and did not drink or smoke.
              He was also not a philanderer.
        \_ FDR was the worst President ever - he is primarily
           responsible for the destruction of this republic.  What
           were JFK's accomplishments? Assisinating Diem and setting
           the stage for an inept civilian run war, the disaster in
           the Bay of Pigs, etc. Yes, MLK was a inveterate plagiarist
           and a hardcore Marxist, but you do have to give him credit
           for standing up against that which was morally
           reprehensible, when few others would.
        \_ The public memory isn't quite the same as actual history of MLK:
        \_ The public memory isn't quite the same as actual history of
           MLK:
        link:www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/news/editorial/5571486.htm
        \_ Okay, cool, so you guys can slag off just about anyone!  So
           who's Great?  Oh wait, lemme guess...Reagan, Herbert
           \_ The above were all very good comments.  You can't duck all
              those responses with a lame "you're all sheep" and expect
              anyone to take you seriously or your point to look like
              anything more than silly rantings.  Try to respond to some
              of them and demonstrate their wrongness and yo momma will
              be proud of you.  Until then, no more cookies for you, troll.
           Hoover, Ted Nugent, the Tooth Fairy, and yo momma.  By the
           way, thanks for being sheep and making my point for me.
           \_ The above were all very good comments.  You can't duck
              all those responses with a lame "you're all sheep" and
              expect anyone to take you seriously or your point to
              look like anything more than silly rantings.  Try to
              respond to some of them and demonstrate their wrongness
              and yo momma will be proud of you.  Until then, no more
              cookies for you, troll.
           \_ All human beings are in some way flawed and imperfect.
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