4/2     All these discussion regards to weapon of mass destruction.
        Did we use Sarin gas during the Vietnam War?
        \_ no, we used agent orange.  Fucked up the jungle good. And our
           own soldiers.
        \_ all signs point to maybe
        \_ No.  Peter Arnett got busted and fired for saying so in 1998 with
           zero proof and CNN retracted the whole story.  The guy has quite a
           journalistic record of excellence.
           \_ "Zero proof"? How about the testimony of multiple sources,
              including two military officers? The only reason CNN retracted
              the story was political pressure.
              \_ bullshit.  URL.  2 military officers?  The ones he was
                 quoting that he hadn't even met?  Or maybe it was the
                 American officer he claimed got gassed and was dead yet
                 was there in studio 25+ years later to confront him with
                 his own lies?  You're fucking nuts or intentionally ignorant.
                 Or maybe I just got trolled... damn.  Trolled again.
                 \_ http://www.defenselink.mil/pubs/tailwind_army.html
                    We certainly used some kind of gas stronger than
                    CS. Perhpas not Sarin, but the Army will not admit
                    to what exactly it was.
              \_ exactly.  the point is, we used weapon of mass destruction,
                 and we are not particularly proud of it (remember NY
                 Metro Museum wanted to do a exibition on 50 annualversiry
                 of Hiroshima, but dropped the idea because political
                 pressure?).  Japan used chemical / biological weapon
                 at a scale which makes Iraq looks like a child play,
                 and we forgive them.  If we take out this issue of
                 WMD, what else you can think of to support US's war
                 against Iraq?
                 \_ exactly not.  we didn't use nerve gas in vietnam and you
                    have zero proof of it anywhere.
                 \_ Governments in Japan and Germany are not the same as
                    those in power during WW2.  We did not forgive those
                    war-time goverments; we hanged them.
                    \_ go back to your history book.  We forgave Japan.
                       \_ Give me one source.
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                    \_ Emperor Shoowa stayed in throne until 1989.
                       \_ General Hideki Tojo danced at the end of a rope
                          in 1948 after an extensive trial that laid all
                          blame at his feet.
                       \_ On a powerless throne because it was easier than
                          losing a half million more people on both sides
                          doing an ugly mainland invasion.
                 \_ Unit 731 of Japan: http://csua.org/u/c3e
                 \_ "JAPAN ADMITS DISSECTING WW-II POWs"
                    <DEAD>www.ipsystems.com/powmia/unit-731.html<DEAD>
                    "The prisoners were eight American airmen ...... torn apart
                    organ by organ while they were still alive."
                    \_ And?  Never doubted the claim, just the forgiveness.
                        \_ Don't forget they also ate their POWs,
                           including Aussies and Americans.
                           \_ They were hungry.  Have you no compassion??
        We forgave them after we hanged a bunch of them.  -John
        \_ We placed blame on certain people and hanged those people. This
           does not imply forgiveness; it implies assigning singular blame
           and punishment for crimes committed on behalf of a nation.
        \_ And after we demilitarized them and after we
        dismantled their government and after we sort
        occupied their country and after we nuked two
        of their cities....
        \_ Yup.  You want a job done right the first
           time around.  In the case of the Germans,
           we didn't.  What's all this about nukes
           anyway?  We haven't nuked anyone in years.
           Nor have the Israelis or the Brits or the
           French or even the Rooskies.  Nukes all
           around!
                \_ not if some giant fuckheads in the Pentagon
                   and Congress have their way with implementing
                   small scale nukes.  I hate everyone right now.
                 \_ Because he's there. Reason enough.
                \_ Who let the Jews get nukes?!
                   \_ Clinton, who else?! What do you think that Monica
                      Lewinsky was really looking for in Billy's pants?
        \_ Biological and chemical warfare covers more than what most people
           think (ie. death by disease or exposure to toxin). In Vietnam,
           Agent Orange was used, but mostly as a biological warfare tool.
           The chem part was "accidental" or unintended. The bio part was to
           remove jungle and destroy crops. Starvation is bio-warfare. The
           attacks GWI and GWII vs. water delivery and treatment sites, while
           \_ ageng 0 was a weed killer for jungles to remove enemy cover
           called infrastructure attacks, are biological in nature. It can
           be argued that while not using a WMD, the US is using biowarfare.
           \_ Then can I also say shooting an enemy with a gun is biowarfare,
              since it stops his biological function?
              \_ Hell, is feeding someone Mexican food biological warfare?
                 How about milk if you're lactose intolerant?
           \_ Agent O was not to destroy crops.  Sheesh.  It's easier and
              cheaper to kill peasants if you want to stave out the country.
           \_ agent 0 was a weed killer for jungles to remove enemy cover