3/28    Just another day at a peaceful anti-war rally:
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        \_ And the pro-war side is blameless.
           http://csua.org/u/bfb
           I'm not disagreeing with you; the world is pretty fucked up.
           \_ Are you seriously stating a moral equivalency between
              civilian casualties of war and someone whose "anti-war"
              stance is to push the Jews into the sea?
              \_ Are you saying that all war protesters are violently
                 antisemitic?  Of course not.  I'm just saying
                 there are a hell of a lot of reasons to be against
                 this war.
           \_ blame the local iraqis solders who forced civilians into the
              crossfire
              \_ Or the inept diplomacy of a simple-minded President.
                 \_ Okey dokey, it's easy to spout off about someone else's
                    failures, how about you tell us the non-violent yet
                    effective actions you'd take as US Pres. that would have
                    made certain Iraq was disarmed?  Inspections?  There were
                    no inspections from '98 and they only went back in under
                    tremendous pressure due to the US military buildup and
                    even then they weren't doing anything useful since a)
                    they didn't want to and b) the whole .org was filled with
                    so many spies the Iraqis knew what was going to be
                    inspected before the UN guys on the ground in Iraq did.
                    I've yet to hear a single response from anyone in the
                    government, the media, the public, or private about how
                    to disarm Iraq/Hussein without fighting if he doesn't
                    want to do it voluntarily.  Just lots of noise about,
                    "bush is stupid!".  Maybe he is stupid but you're not
                    doing any better.
                    \_ How about not pissing off a collection of nations
                       that were squarely in our pocket because of
                       September 11th?  How about putting a real
                       effort into Afghanistan?  How about prioritizing
                       this effort with respect to North Korea?  How about
                       just keeping your goddamn story straight, and not
                       lying to the public?  Are we there for disarming
                       him, are we there because he's a war criminal, or
                       are we there because my misguided domestic policy
                       and tax refunds has turned a budget surplus into
                       a recession and I need a quick shot in the arm for
                       the next election?  Or maybe it's just a cover to
                       get the flag-waving jingoes out in force and allow
                       me to push some of the worst civil rights
                       legislation through congress in 40 years?  How
                       about not claiming some stupid forgeries as
                       "evidence" of nuclear arms dealing?  Sure, rattle
                       sabres, let people know you're serious.  But don't
                       treat war as the foregone conclusion.